Full Tilt Poker Game #7611093616: FTOPS Event #12 (54557980), Table 60 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:35:20 ET - 2008/08/11

Seat 1: ryanwelch (6,445)

Seat 2: thewood503 (7,684)

Seat 3: Normalforce (2,396)

Seat 4: Chas8 (4,545)

Seat 5: robbybeth333 (1,032)

Seat 6: sideshowgil (7,898)

robbybeth333 posts the small blind of 20

sideshowgil posts the big blind of 40

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to thewood503 [Ah Ac]

ryanwelch raises to 140

thewood503 raises to 480

sideshowgil: let you get there dumb of me

Normalforce folds

Chas8 folds

robbybeth333 folds

sideshowgil folds

ryanwelch calls 340

*** FLOP *** [6s 8c 2c]

ryanwelch checks

thewood503 has 15 seconds left to act

thewood503 bets 640

ryanwelch has 15 seconds left to act

ryanwelch calls 640

*** TURN *** [6s 8c 2c] [4s]

ryanwelch checks

thewood503 checks

*** RIVER *** [6s 8c 2c 4s] [8h]

ryanwelch checks

thewood503 has 15 seconds left to act

thewood503 bets 1,622

ryanwelch raises to 5,325, and is all in

I was pretty sure he had 99-qq here and since i didnt think he would call a turn bet and a river bet with a marginal 1 pair hand like that i decided to check turn and make huge big river bet. Then only thing i dont expect happens he JAMS..seems like a fishy by him if he had set so what do you guys think....RESULTS LATER

snap call and lose to A 8 sooooooted =)

I'd be shocked if he had 99-QQ here... that'd be pretty terribad. As the other guy suggested KK is possible I guess, and AA is as well. Obv boats are in there too, though I don't know how many small PPs he's r/c pre OOP.

Anyway, I'd probably muck but I'm a nit.

edit: meh, didn't notice that clubs didn't get there. that changes things a bit...

scatch that.... i dunno..... why the hell didn't you bet the turn? i'd still prolly call.

i call. i think u checking turn may induce him to think his 99-QQ is goot here..well actually i think he bets river if he thinks his pair is good..or @LEAST c/c river and not c/r allin..i changed my mind. FOLD for sure. what are u beating here. If he put u on bluff he would just check call river.. my guess is he quadded up or 6's full.

My initial reaction was call..But it just seemed like he wouldnt check jam with 9s or js or something like that so even though he line made no sense i decided to muck

With your reraise preflop, he cant possibly think he's getting you to fold the river with a big PP which is a big part of your range so he really cant be bluffing unless he gives you the credit to fold a pair and he's bluffing. Fold for me, i dont see enough river bluffs to make it a call.

Alright, first off set mining with any pair here isnt bad at all. Callign 340 with over 6k behind when we are this deep isnt bad at all IMO. When he 3 bet i put his range to JJ-AA or AK, not familiar with his play so not sure if he 3 bets light. (it being early i doubt it)

So when he bet the flop i decided to call once and reeval the turn..When he chked behind it was strange to me and i couldnt see a very strong hand checking behind. So my plan was to check shve the river and represent a monster here. I was fairly certain i could get jj or qq ot fold.. Didnt think AA would fold so im quite surprised.

My hand which did not matter was 10 10. My shove on river was purely for bluffing. I might take a line similar to this with a set also, and def an 8 ( knowing he was on an overpair and would likely bet for value on river)

 

Originally Posted by thetruth503

FML.....ASK N E BODY WHO PLAYS WITH ME I'N NOT ONE TO EVER LOOK FOR REASONS TO MAKE ANY SORT OF BIG LAY DOWN!! I JUST WOULD FEEL LIKE A TOTAL GUPPIE IF I CALL THERE AND YOU JUST SHOW ME THE SACK!! WELL PLAYED ON YOUR PART

Well i feel like the guppie when you snap me with AA..LOL Your chk on turn made no sense to me...Was it strictly for pot control? i instafold turn if you breathe at that pot.

kawl and lose because you wouldnt be posting this if you won.

 

Originally Posted by thetruth503

IM NOT POSTING CUZ I LOST THE HAND APE.....I DIDNT EVEN CALL. JUST TRYING TO HEAR OTHERS OPONION ON RIVER ACTION

Oh, I think its a pretty easy call tbh. I've noticed most tournament players do not have the foresite to c/r a river for value and are usually bluffing in these spots. Perhaps he played a set very tricky. It could have been a good laydown but I'm not folding there. Also, clubs missed...

i call very quickly too and i'm not being results oriented. your hand screams AK on the turn and as such an aggressive player who had intended to give up on the pot may put you in. as ape said very few players effectively use the c/r on the river for value. I'd be expecting to see broadway clubs or possibly even a 9T of a diff suit.

also there is no way set mining here is bad this deep against a seemingly very tight 3betting range.

I would type in chat box, fuck I run so bad...call...lose to quads. But ya, I think he could easily be bluffing here so u gotta call. Maybe u guys were chopping... ;-)

 

Originally Posted by Andy McLEOD

i call very quickly too and i'm not being results oriented. your hand screams AK on the turn and as such an aggressive player who had intended to give up on the pot may put you in. as ape said very few players effectively use the c/r on the river for value. I'd be expecting to see broadway clubs or possibly even a 9T of a diff suit.

also there is no way set mining here is bad this deep against a seemingly very tight 3betting range.

This was precisely my thought process throughout this hand--i admit being leveled when he snaps with AA however his hand was very disguised and didn't see him calling me without aa or kk. I made an aggressive chk raise all in, which i will do with a set here also knowing that he at least has an overpair which some people cant fold shorthanded.

And set mining is absolutely not bad at all here when we are almost 200bbs deep.

I insta fold. This is a perfect spot for him to try and take a flop and position with a small pair or suited A8 cause he is getting great implied odds off of your 3 bet. On the river, if he is thinking you are bluffing, he would flat call unless he thinks that you are bluffing and he can get you to lay down by re-bluffing, but that is not likely enough for this to be a good call. Your river bet does not look like a bluff so much and it looks like a a big hand. He is value shoving here hoping to get paid off imo with trips or better.