pokerstars Game #33085149495: Tournament #200909045, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/09/20 19:12:41 ET

Table '200909045 191' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 1: YaDaDaMeeN21 (20165 in chips)

Seat 2: ta1887 (18320 in chips)

Seat 3: ArniBarni (20250 in chips)

Seat 4: kwil20 (37220 in chips)

Seat 5: maxypaxy (28165 in chips)

Seat 6: Amke (20110 in chips)

Seat 7: bdybldngpkr (33275 in chips)

Seat 8: flanchman (24235 in chips)

Seat 9: sagodrago (15610 in chips)

YaDaDaMeeN21: posts the ante 10

ta1887: posts the ante 10

ArniBarni: posts the ante 10

kwil20: posts the ante 10

maxypaxy: posts the ante 10

Amke: posts the ante 10

bdybldngpkr: posts the ante 10

flanchman: posts the ante 10

sagodrago: posts the ante 10

sagodrago: posts small blind 50

YaDaDaMeeN21: posts big blind 100

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to bdybldngpkr [5d Jd]

ta1887: folds

ArniBarni: folds

kwil20: folds

maxypaxy: folds

Amke: folds

bdybldngpkr: raises 150 to 250

flanchman: folds

sagodrago: calls 200

YaDaDaMeeN21: calls 150

*** FLOP *** [Jc 6c Th]

sagodrago: checks

YaDaDaMeeN21: bets 500

bdybldngpkr: calls 500

sagodrago: calls 500

*** TURN *** [Jc 6c Th] [5s]

sagodrago: checks

YaDaDaMeeN21: checks

bdybldngpkr: bets 1650

sagodrago: folds

YaDaDaMeeN21: calls 1650

*** RIVER *** [Jc 6c Th 5s] [7s]

YaDaDaMeeN21: checks

bdybldngpkr: bets 4100

YaDaDaMeeN21: raises 13655 to 17755 and is all-in

my image was pretty bad so def thought i could easily get thin value here off a pretty big bet.

 

Originally Posted by jalman1

checking back the river advice just seems results oriented. B/f this river though randoms dont c/r bluff rivers in the biggest tournament in online poker history with worse.

meh yeah i guess, def folding river as played though

bump

 

Originally Posted by Kiba52

check back river? r u crazy or just bad.

wp now fold

fold

I don't have great feel online but this seems to be a pretty easy fold as played.

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

bet/fold is almost certainly way better in situations like this

ya i cant imagine myself ever checking behind here. does no one agree though that the ONLY hand that we are behind is 89 and nothing else, and theres so many missed draws, KQ, clubs etc, that he could be check shoving.

 

Originally Posted by Bdybldngpkrplyr

does no one agree though that the ONLY hand that we are behind is 89 and nothing else, and theres so many missed draws, KQ, clubs etc, that he could be check shoving

If that is the case, and you think he can c/r his missed draws then you have to call as played. Else bet/folding makes you fold the best hand way too often.

without a detailed history though, its pretty tough to give much weight to the c/r bluff here and bet/fold seems like the best option.

really can't think of a reason why you would open pre

haha wp.

fold flop

fold river

i think you played it fine. he has 89, unless theres a chance he is on the come.

 

Originally Posted by poisoneye1986

i think you played it fine. he has 89, unless theres a chance he is on the come.

yea he could def be betting on spades to hit on the next card

 

Originally Posted by DFish

this + fold pre

as played checking behind river is just totally out of the question idk what the thinking behind that play would be? believer?

soul-reading through HH text obv

I know your asking for believer's opinion, but seriously i was advocating checking behind as well on page 1. You guys aren't hesitant to try and extract another 2 streets of value after the flop in a pot that was us vs. SB vs. BB? I feel like if he's not check-raising us with the blade, he's check calling RARELY with a worse jack, RARELY a worse two pair (other than bottom two, is he really leading the flop here with a random T?), and ALWAYS with a random better 2 pair like J7 or J6 or JT outta the blinds tbh.

obviously once he check/shoves the river u can rule hands like these out, so were allowing ourselves to get either get psycho spaz-bluffed off our hand by villain (putting yourself in a ridic spot if youre advocating calling) or c/r'd with 89s. obv once he shoves it's an easy fold imo

but before he has shoved i really think were only getting called by random hands in the blinds that went for pot control and have us beat anyways after leading flop, looking to check call the river. MAYBEE just MAYBBEE a turned worse 2 pair like T5 or J5 or something? you guys think he randomly leads the flop with a weak T here? seems like were looking a little too thin on the river. I mean tbh there's 3 other Jacks in this hand that have us beat, and idk if were getting value with an 80% pot bet on riv from a worse jack often enough.

what is he leading that flop with that he wouldn't check call? maybe QJ or KJ? only thing i can think of is an 89s or a set (people lead with a set hoping to get raised all the time so they can flat and check a blank turn), otherwise as played, if we're not crushed its a flopped better two pair who is probably going to check/call the riv anyways. i really dont feel he randomly leads with a T or bottom pair does he? so his hand is kinda narrowed down to a random FLOPPED worse two pair, 89, or MAYBE a set after leading.

i know theres nothing for certain but all you can go off with no reads is info from the hand, and leading the flop seems to rule out a random T, leaving him usually to ONLY ONE kind of a worse two pair, othweise we're beat and he was checking the riv for value and not wanting to have to b/f. as played it turned crazy with his c/r ai but meh i really like a check behind

that might have made absolutely no sense, if so i'm sorry but i'm tired and school fucking sucks