He has to know my range consists of AK, KK, AA, QQ and JJ.... so how can he bluff here? I'm probably not folding that range much. That being said, is there anything I beat in his value range?

pokerstars Game #37260978157: Tournament #241020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2009/12/27 13:10:24 ET
Table '241020016 330' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Enigma84 (10075 in chips)
Seat 2: Mason66 (11475 in chips)
Seat 3: RaSZi (10300 in chips)
Seat 4: FedExDeac19 (10475 in chips)
Seat 5: travi425 (9775 in chips)
Seat 6: Titantom32 (10225 in chips)
Seat 7: jutwined (10075 in chips)
Seat 8: coinflipster (8700 in chips)
Seat 9: hotrodmaker (8900 in chips)
travi425: posts small blind 25
Titantom32: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Titantom32 [Ks Kh]
jutwined: raises 100 to 150
coinflipster: folds
hotrodmaker: folds
Enigma84: folds
Mason66: calls 150
RaSZi: calls 150
FedExDeac19: folds
travi425: folds
Titantom32: raises 550 to 700
jutwined: folds
Mason66: folds
RaSZi: calls 550
*** FLOP *** [3h Jd Qs]
Titantom32: checks
RaSZi: bets 1050
Titantom32: calls 1050
*** TURN *** [3h Jd Qs] [Th]
Titantom32: checks
RaSZi: checks
*** RIVER *** [3h Jd Qs Th] [3d]
Titantom32: bets 1245
RaSZi: raises 7305 to 8550 and is all-in
Titantom32:

I dont think u beat anything when he shoves unless he wants to go sledding outside

thats true probably, what do u think about this line tho? can it ever be just a sick leveling bluff?

 

Originally Posted by kwkramer

u obv beat nothing in his value range but ur smallish bet on the riv seems pretty transparent in that it looks like a thin value/blocking bet, which many cash regs at least will often bluff shove over with like aq that theyre turning into a bluff. although he prolly doesnt call pre with a hand like that. either way, fold.

as for ur line, id just bet all 3 streets and fold to a raise by him at any point

i mean.... If i was in the kiddie game I would play it like that. Raszi isn't an unknown, hes a very aggressive, smart player imo

 

Originally Posted by titantom32

i mean.... If i was in the kiddie game I would play it like that. Raszi isn't an unknown, hes a very aggressive, smart player imo

i assume you mean you just don't think you can get 3 streets of value from him here. i think many players miss value with this type of thinking but i dunno. if u bet hands like this the whole way and ppl see that eventually ur range in these spots is merged to the point where they have to call u lighter, enabling you to get value on all streets in spots similar to this.

i dunno about this specific spot i guess just b/c of his calling range pre and the board, but i just hate that c/c flop or turn with mid-strength hands line that some trny players rationalize with the pot control/trny life argument, its so fking transparent

vs raszi i see no value in betting river....he will seldom pay u off..and do this way too much..if ur going to bet river i think u might have to bet/call vs a player like him

 

Originally Posted by wildman75

vs raszi i see no value in betting river....he will seldom pay u off..and do this way too much..if ur going to bet river i think u might have to bet/call vs a player like him

I would play this way..precisely for the reason stated above. Raszi has reppd no real hands in his range here,and then suddenly spazzes out and shoves on the river.. Yea its gross but i think its a bluff enough of the time to warrant calling. Literally TT and mayyybee JJ is all Raszi ever has.. He is def not shipping 89 on the river when Toms range definitely beats it. If there is one player who would turn QJ into a bluff on the river here..it is def him.

Yeah, agree with most of the stuff thats been posted here.... Raszi can make some quite ridiculously aggressive moves, he's taking a really weird line here... maybe that small value bet by you looked more like a pot blocking bet and he's trying to take it down, call imo

if its a bluff hes played it pretty bad obv, his line looks so bluffy it would be bad to bluff no? if he as any big hand he plays it this way because of that so that makes sense, what hand can we put him on tho there is not many at all i guess its possible he flatted ak pre altho unlikely 33 tt gotta imagine he wouldnt check bk turn w those tho altho its possible, maybe he just said fk it his riv bet looks weak and jammed hoping u couldnt call it, u going in2 check call mode gives us no info at all on his hand..i think hes bluffing quite a bit here gonna find it real hard to fold, he has a monster hes took a sick line i doubt ak even jams river...man this is prob a bluff a ton has 2b lol nothign makes sense aprt from him checking bk trips on the turn t see the river incase u do have ak

 

Originally Posted by apairinmypoc

I think he is bluffing here because of the weak line that you took with your hand.

With jacks or queens he most likely reraises preflop to find out where he is

If he has 89 or ak then it makes no sense that he bets flop on gut shot checks behind when he hits it then shoves on a paired board when he is only getting called by the full house.

The only hands i think that he most likely could have that would beat you would be 33 and 1010 and the only way he has those hands if he puts you on ak and thinks you have to call the river

But would he really put you on ak when you check call the flop, hit your straight check again and then make a 1/4 pot bet on the river?

I think it is a bluff not value bet on river when you have to have such a small range to call and the way you played the hand it seems you dont have that range.

this imo

can someone explain how this is a bluff? didnt this board hit RaSZi's shoving range?

AA def reraises pre, QQ probably as well, although I dont think he checks the turn with QQ/JJ/TT - raszi prob checks TT behind on the flop as well.....AK he could reraise pre or flat - he could check the turn but dont see him betting the flop.....its def a call imo

Maybe he checked a monster on the turn to get you to bet the river and he is shoving for value, fold imo

 

Originally Posted by niptuck

You wouldn't have posted this if you called and won. Therefore, you called and were beat. I have nothing to add. :)

Or he folded and it's been eating away at him so he's seeking opinions from good players who have played against Raszi a lot.

 

Originally Posted by gutshtallin

Yea, I think he does because AK got there on the turn and he can def put that hand in tom's range.

Is Tom's range basically QQ+ here given blinds and pf action? If so I'm really confused at Raszi's river play. Tom could be playing a monster weakly looking to induce.

Or Raszi has him on AA or KK and is trying to rep a boat here.