K so I just got moved to this table, 2nd hand here.

My thoughts: First off I hate my flat pre, I think a 3 bet to iso against short stack raising is the optimal play now that I look back at it.

Post flop thoughts: when I check raise flop and bb cold flats my 3bet(which is fckin sick) I put him on 2 hands, a f draw(which is beyond terrible cold flatting my 3 bet on flop) or a set, both of which own me on the turn.........thoughts?

PokerStars Game #35513199158: Tournament #229010123, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/11/18 5:26:07 ET

Table '229010123 49' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 1: rggrggrggrgg (58337 in chips)

Seat 2: IG0tDibs (54531 in chips)

Seat 4: All-InBivens (87350 in chips)

Seat 5: dstrawn10000 (49597 in chips)

Seat 6: buzzwerf (29560 in chips)

Seat 7: duhmattman (41650 in chips)

Seat 8: heatofbosnia (32694 in chips)

Seat 9: JeanGrae (82546 in chips)

rggrggrggrgg: posts the ante 125

IG0tDibs: posts the ante 125

All-InBivens: posts the ante 125

dstrawn10000: posts the ante 125

buzzwerf: posts the ante 125

duhmattman: posts the ante 125

heatofbosnia: posts the ante 125

JeanGrae: posts the ante 125

JeanGrae: posts small blind 600

rggrggrggrgg: posts big blind 1200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to JeanGrae [Js Ah]

IG0tDibs: folds

All-InBivens: folds

dstrawn10000: folds

buzzwerf: raises 2000 to 3200

duhmattman: folds

heatofbosnia: folds

JeanGrae: calls 2600

rggrggrggrgg: calls 2000

*** FLOP *** [Ad 6c 3c]

JeanGrae: checks

rggrggrggrgg: checks

buzzwerf: bets 6000

JeanGrae: raises 8400 to 14400

rggrggrggrgg: calls 14400

buzzwerf: folds

*** TURN *** [Ad 6c 3c] [Jc]

JeanGrae: checks

rggrggrggrgg: bets 40612 and is all-in

JeanGrae: ????

Not folding

I agree on 3bet pre instead of flat in sb. I also agree that you aren't beating much on the turn, and probably have to fold here.

Sick spot tho...I just don't see us beating much considering how he played.

PS: Congrats on the $33 FT from the other night...though you did knock me out at said FT :(

I'm also not a huge fan of flatting preflop, but I hate c/r'ing the flop more.

Alarm bells are ringing as soon as the BB cold calls your c/r. The turn improves your hand, but the only hand he shows up with that you're beating here is a worse two pair--unless he's retarded.

Looks like sets to me and you don't have a redraw. I'd just fold the turn, but don't c/r the flop IMO.

EDIT: I guess the villian might shove sets on the flop, but if he knows you aren't c/r w/ FD's, he can flat and shove the turn. Either way I think you're beat..

wheres villain from and how fast did he shove?

 

Originally Posted by Alex Moore

wheres villain from and how fast did he shove?

1. U.S

2. Snap shoved

 

Originally Posted by Illini213

Avg. player is not folding to a c/r on that flop Ac-x, it's just too pretty looking for the runner-runner draw

So it's profitable to c/r that flop if his range is Acx and... what else?

Most/all of the other hands he continue with have us CRUSHED or are FD's.

EDIT: Sorry, I'm sure it will be profitable to c/r a standard c-bet here, but when he continues, we're pretty much always losing, so we should be c/r'ing with hands that are bluffs.

 

Originally Posted by Jeangrae

1. U.S

2. Snap shoved

Snap shove = Snap call from me.

 

Originally Posted by elusively

So it's profitable to c/r that flop if his range is Acx and... what else?

Most/all of the other hands he continue with have us CRUSHED or are FD's.

EDIT: Sorry, I'm sure it will be profitable to c/r a standard c-bet here, but when he continues, we're pretty much always losing, so we should be c/r'ing with hands that are bluffs.

Personally, I lead out on flop, but I can c y Jean did c/r. All, I was saying was that villian is not folding the Ac-x on a c/r on this flop

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

wow it got this far and noone said fold (or 3b/c) pre... this is saddening

take er easy, pretty sure jean established in OP 3b/call is better than the flat, and idk about a fold w/o reads

I folded...

I really felt there were only 2 hands he shows up with here a flush or set but I could be completely wrong

ty for feedback

 

Originally Posted by Jeangrae

I folded...

I really felt there were only 2 hands he shows up with here a flush or set but I could be completely wrong

ty for feedback

I would say good fold sir

1. call

2. fade a club on the river

3. profit

i call as well. i think you (and other posters) are giving a random $33 player way too much credit.

while you occasionally run into flushes or sets here, i think it is more likely TP w FD type hands.

if it was a $330, i would think about folding.

 

Originally Posted by coolhandkev

Snap shove = Snap call from me.

lol me too, why are u considering this after this turn peels off. Don't raise the flop if your folding this turn their range is far bigger than just flushes and sets which your putting him on when you fold. Im a station tho.