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  1. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:13am) in reply to Jeangrae

    at first i thought it was the preflop raiser who jammed once u checked the turn. but seeing that its an overcall from the blind. This is really close for me. I feel Im beat here more than not and hes also not euro. But I just have a tough time folding here in a mtt like this from seeing the crazy things there do. Idk I guess I say fuck it here and hit the call button but it may be a close fold. Can easily have a set as well as a flush.

    p.s. I dont like the c/r on the flop
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  2. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:25am) in reply to Jeangrae

    Actually, now that I have had a day to think about it, I think most randoms in the $33 freezes are actually checking behind a flush draw there. So I'm personally thinking he had an ace on the flop or a set...and now taking away alot of his flush draws, I would tend to believe this to be a call.

    I think SOME randoms are betting a flush draw in pos, but I believe the vast majority just check behind last to act on the flop.

    I also kinda believe a random would just reraise get it in on the flop with a set after you c/r. He's a massively losing player on OPR after looking it up, and that makes me believe more that he's not just flatting there with a set, but rather would (comparing him to a lot of randoms of course) reraise all in with a set, as he'd be scared of said flush draw. And then when said flush comes, he just jams there as a sigh jam.

    I'm not saying fd's and sets aren't in his range, but I think most random losing players are going to a.) check behind a fd and b.) reraise all in on the flop with sets.

    So given all of that, I would weigh the majority of his range to be Ax, maybe even having two pair himself, and tend to call this more.
  3. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:32am) in reply to rocksolid124

     
    Originally Posted by rocksolid124 View Post

    Actually, now that I have had a day to think about it, I think most randoms in the $33 freezes are actually checking behind a flush draw there. So I'm personally thinking he had an ace on the flop or a set...and now taking away alot of his flush draws, I would tend to believe this to be a call.

    I think SOME randoms are betting a flush draw in pos, but I believe the vast majority just check behind last to act on the flop.

    Wut? Re-read hh.

    I'm not folding Jean. Even if I hadn't checked this guy out on OPR I probably wouldn't fold, but apparently the guy spazzes on the regular based on his MTT avg finish %.

    http://officialpokerrankings.com/pok...191C0.html?t=2

    edit: guess I got beat to the OPR-punch.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:34am) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    Wut?

    I'm not folding Jean. Even if I hadn't checked this guy out on OPR I probably wouldn't fold, but apparently the guy spazzes on the regular based on his MTT avg finish %.

    http://officialpokerrankings.com/pok...191C0.html?t=2

    Agree or disagree, you could give reason for why you disagree, and it would be far more productive than "wut"

    In my personal opinion though from playing a lot of these tourneys, I do see them checking behind a lot in pos with flush draws, trying to get that free card to catch their flush on that flop

    *Edit* never mind, I'm drunk.

    Ok, so NOW my thoughts a day later. I think his line weighs more toward flush draws(lol) than sets...(I still believe most randoms are jamming your c/r with sets here for the reasons I said earlier), with the minute chance he makes a frustration shove when the club hits. Of course, I don't think this guy is check/calling often with Ax, even with 2 pair on that flop, so I make a super sick fold.

    Personally, I'm of the mindset that these randoms will jam fearing the flush draw on the flop if they had a set or Ax, even 2 pair...maybe not all the time, but the majority of the time, I find this to be so..

    Then again, he could always have an A with the Ac...sigh, I don't know.
  5. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:37am) in reply to Jeangrae

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  6. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:43am) in reply to rocksolid124

    Ok, ok...now after going back and forth and so on with this hand, I will say that I have no idea what to do here, and I concede defeat.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:56am) in reply to rocksolid124

    Hmmm...I really don't like the flat preflop. I would probably fold in that situation w/o any reads. Definitely don't like the c/r on the flop. I would open for sure and if he throws a big 3bet at you, you can get away from the pot.
  8. Mike111202 Mike111202 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 9:24am) in reply to Jeangrae

    Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't your bet on the flop a 2 bet and not a 3 bet? I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I'm just making sure I'm not missing something.
  9. hollandshope4 hollandshope4 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 3:10pm) in reply to Mike111202

     
    Originally Posted by Mike111202 View Post

    Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't your bet on the flop a 2 bet and not a 3 bet? I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I'm just making sure I'm not missing something.

    When you open up on any street and someone reraises you, that is a 3bet. I was saying I would open up and if he reraised me(3bet), then I would probably fold w/o any reads.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 3:12pm) in reply to hollandshope4

    Pretty sure you're wrong and he's right.
  11. hollandshope4 hollandshope4 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 4:41pm) in reply to Diggs

    My bad I was high.
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