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WWYD Deep in FTP $17.5K???

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  1. FishnUpRver FishnUpRver is offline

    Chicago, IL
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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 7:21pm)

    Ok, I realized I played this horribly bad, but let me first explain a little bit why I played it the way I did.

    First of all, I 3 bet pre to try and squeeze one of the villains out, I would rather play 10 10 here in position heads up. I get a called by both villains pre, and see JJ7 board. Here is my issue to start, and why i played it so defensively. I have no reads on either player, all I know is that UTG raiser has played very tight, and the UTG + 3 had only been there for maybe 10 hands, folded all of them, so I have no assumptions of their calling ranges to my 3 bet.

    I'm wondering how would yo have played it differently? And would you always Cbet flop? I need lots and lots of help, losing this pot really hurt my chances of going deep...

    Full Tilt Poker Game #24970524846: $17,500 KO Guarantee (193133313), Table 15 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:18:56 ET - 2010/10/24
    Seat 1: MoormanI (22,088)
    Seat 2: guessirunbad (98,115)
    Seat 3: WHY_1 (77,685)
    Seat 4: King2173 (60,561)
    Seat 5: OKBigDaddy (39,398)
    Seat 6: gasolina74 (128,414)
    Seat 7: IdUnderscore (66,133)
    Seat 8: Yorck Snape (73,569)
    Seat 9: FishnUpRver311 (56,334)
    MoormanI antes 250
    guessirunbad antes 250
    WHY_1 antes 250
    King2173 antes 250
    OKBigDaddy antes 250
    gasolina74 antes 250
    IdUnderscore antes 250
    Yorck Snape antes 250
    FishnUpRver311 antes 250
    MoormanI posts the small blind of 1,000
    guessirunbad posts the big blind of 2,000
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to FishnUpRver311 [Td Ts]
    WHY_1 raises to 4,000
    King2173 folds
    OKBigDaddy folds
    gasolina74 calls 4,000
    IdUnderscore folds
    Yorck Snape folds
    FishnUpRver311 has 15 seconds left to act
    FishnUpRver311 raises to 11,350
    MoormanI folds
    guessirunbad folds
    WHY_1 has 15 seconds left to act
    WHY_1 has requested TIME
    WHY_1 calls 7,350
    gasolina74 calls 7,350
    *** FLOP *** [Js 7d Jd]
    WHY_1 checks
    gasolina74 checks
    FishnUpRver311 has 15 seconds left to act
    FishnUpRver311 checks
    *** TURN *** [Js 7d Jd] [8c]
    WHY_1 checks
    gasolina74 checks
    FishnUpRver311 has 15 seconds left to act
    FishnUpRver311 checks
    *** RIVER *** [Js 7d Jd 8c] [Ad]
    WHY_1 checks
    gasolina74 checks
    FishnUpRver311 checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    FishnUpRver311 shows [Td Ts] two pair, Jacks and Tens
    WHY_1 mucks
    gasolina74 shows [Ah Th] two pair, Aces and Jacks
    gasolina74 wins the pot (39,300) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 39,300 | Rake 0
    Board: [Js 7d Jd 8c Ad]
    Seat 1: MoormanI (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: guessirunbad (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: WHY_1 mucked [4s 4c] - two pair, Jacks and Fours
    Seat 4: King2173 folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: OKBigDaddy folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: gasolina74 showed [Ah Th] and won (39,300) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    Seat 7: IdUnderscore folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Yorck Snape folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: FishnUpRver311 (button) showed [Td Ts] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
  2. kawon4975 kawon4975 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 7:29pm) in reply to FishnUpRver

    as played you have to bet the flop, esp in position. with no reads they are not flatting JJ+ 3 handed. I bet 1/3 pot here, while preparing to call any repop and jam turn.
  3. Goldenad Goldenad is online now

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 7:30pm) in reply to kawon4975

    11k in the pot pre i probably just jam preflop. 3 betting might fold some worse hands like 77-TT that would potentially call your shove

    as played id bet the flop now and get it in because if you check it becomes pretty difficult to play and there are plenty of bad turns in the deck. after they both check the flop and turn i cant imagine youre beat, so i would definitely valuebet the turn
     
  4. pinishe45 pinishe45 is online now

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 7:38pm) in reply to Goldenad

    how did u come up with utg player is tight? u have #'s to support?

    id likely be jamming pre,
    but im def betting flop and/or turn
    573 
  5. Ned Braden Ned Braden is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 8:14pm) in reply to pinishe45

    Don't know that my advice is worth much but my take is this: you've already committed a good portion of your stack to this hand before the flop and you saw a pretty favorable flop for your 1010 so i'd be doing everything i could to end the hand right there before someone draws out on me (which as you know is unfortunately exactly what happened); my guess is ifyou had shoved or made aggressive bet after that flop you'd have taken it down right there.....
  6. TUCCI007 TUCCI007 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 8:46pm) in reply to Ned Braden

    u haave to bet flop here !!!! if u want to check flop for pot control fine but , then at least bomb turn when he checks twice - thats it hand over
     
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