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  1. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:16pm)

    We are in a few hands so no reads, I think the c/c on flop is good/standard, but its open for discussion if someone wouldve played it differently. Do you call this river bet????

     <span>pokerstars Game #40053128338: Tournament #285010002, $300+$20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/02/20 13:04:40 ET</span>

    Table '285010002 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button

    Seat 1: pi2pa (3270 in chips) 

    Seat 2: marroca5 (2990 in chips) 

    Seat 3: Mickmack21 (2940 in chips) 

    Seat 4: Päffchen (2880 in chips) 

    Seat 5: boltox (2580 in chips) 

    Seat 6: 0xandri0 (3470 in chips) 

    Seat 7: Prometheus R (3050 in chips) 

    Seat 8: puschi99 (2820 in chips) 

    Seat 9: silvaneto (3000 in chips) 

    puschi99: posts small blind 10

    silvaneto: posts big blind 20

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to marroca5 [Kh Ac]

    pi2pa: folds 

    marroca5: raises 40 to 60

    Mickmack21: folds 

    Päffchen: folds 

    boltox: calls 60

    0xandri0: folds 

    Prometheus R: calls 60

    puschi99: folds 

    silvaneto: folds 

    *** FLOP *** [9c Kc 9s]

    marroca5: checks 

    boltox: checks 

    Prometheus R: bets 165

    marroca5: calls 165

    boltox: folds 

    *** TURN *** [9c Kc 9s] [4h]

    marroca5: checks 

    Prometheus R: bets 295

    marroca5: calls 295

    *** RIVER *** [9c Kc 9s 4h] [Jh]

    marroca5: checks 

    Prometheus R: bets 1050

    marroca5:??
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  2. Goldenad Goldenad is online now

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:22pm) in reply to marroca5

    the fact that you played this hand so incredibly passively makes me really want to call. you still beat KQ and KT, along with other weird bluffs and the fact that he'll never put you on AK could let him think hes gonna force you to have the very top of your range in order to call a river bet, which he definitely doesnt think you have
     
  3. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:25pm) in reply to Goldenad

     
    Originally Posted by Goldenad View Post

    the fact that you played this hand so incredibly passively makes me really want to call. you still beat KQ and KT, along with other weird bluffs

    Any info on the player, if it is a reg I prob fold, if it some satty donk Im calling.
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  4. ShipThisPLZ ShipThisPLZ is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:26pm) in reply to jtj03

    raise flop imo
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  5. freeworld777 freeworld777 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:31pm) in reply to marroca5

    I dont have much to offer but could you explain why you played each street as you did?

    edit: i find it hard to call river, looks like KJ or JJ just made it and he wants it look like a bluff, doubt he's bluffing this soon in tourney (but i'm a microdonk so who knows)
  6. Goldenad Goldenad is online now

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:36pm) in reply to ShipThisPLZ

    i dont think c/r the flop is ever a good move unless you like turning your hand into a bluff most of the time. on the other hand, i think betting the flop has much more merit than c/c
     
  7. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:39pm) in reply to jtj03

     I OPRed villan and he has very decent stats, so yeah he is more on the reg side.
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  8. AMEC04 AMEC04 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:46pm) in reply to marroca5

    i like how u played the hand and u cant fold now<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
  9. Goldenad Goldenad is online now

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:48pm) in reply to marroca5

    realize the Jack only helps QTcc and KJ, neither of which im sure he'd barrel the turn with
     
  10. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:50pm) in reply to Goldenad

     <span> "i dont think c/r the flop is ever a good move unless you like turning your hand into a bluff most of the time. on the other hand, i think betting the flop has much more merit than c/c"</span>

    <span>agree c/r is horrible..... I think betting flop is not great given I have such a strong hand and we r just beginning tourney. There r very few hands that are gonna call me down if I bet there into a 3-way pot, and if I bump into the ocassional 9 its gonna be very hard for me not to commit my whole stack or the majority of it. So imho I like checking as it achieves 2 purposes, diguising hand to induce value, and pot controlling in case your behind.</span>

    <span>Now in the river my hand is very underreped, but the bet sizing screams a strong hand to me.....jut my opinion....more input plz</span>
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  11. negativeROI negativeROI is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:50pm) in reply to marroca5

    I hate your line. Check/call on the flop is probably fine. But, you put yourself in a position where its difficult to call the river bet. I don't understand c/c, c/c, c/?...are you check/calling for value or what are you doing? If you are, then I'm probably calling the river considering you're extremely under-repped. I probably wouldn't play it this way and I'd have a much easier decision to make on later streets.
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  12. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 1:09pm) in reply to negativeROI

    " I hate your line.  Check/call on the flop is probably fine.  But, you put yourself in a position where its difficult to call the river bet.  I don't understand c/c, c/c, c/?...are you check/calling for value or what are you doing?  If you are, then I'm probably calling the river considering you're extremely under-repped.  I probably wouldn't play it this way and I'd  have a much easier decision to make on later streets."

    If you say c/c on flop is fine, but you hate my line, what r you suggesting that shouldve been done differently?...lead turn?, c/r turn?....these seem horrible to me...

    How do you think playing it another way wouldve made your decission easier on later streets, and which way is that?
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  13. negativeROI negativeROI is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 1:17pm) in reply to marroca5

     
    Originally Posted by marroca5 View Post

    " I hate your line. Check/call on the flop is probably fine. But, you put yourself in a position where its difficult to call the river bet. I don't understand c/c, c/c, c/?...are you check/calling for value or what are you doing? If you are, then I'm probably calling the river considering you're extremely under-repped. I probably wouldn't play it this way and I'd have a much easier decision to make on later streets."

    If you say c/c on flop is fine, but you hate my line, what r you suggesting that shouldve been done differently?...lead turn?, c/r turn?....these seem horrible to me...

    How do you think playing it another way wouldve made your decission easier on later streets, and which way is that?

    Because I don't understand your logic. You check/called 2 streets with AK, so why are you doing that? Are you check/calling for value? IF you are, your hand is so under-repped I can't really find a reason to fold if thats how you played the hand. You have no control in this hand, only reason I'd check call twice in this spot is to induce him to continue with his bluff range (which seems unlikely in this case).
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  14. FenwayKing FenwayKing is offline The Well: FenwayKing

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 1:19pm) in reply to marroca5

    the way you played this hand, you have to call river imo

    I don't mind the c/c on flop, but yea, your hand is super underrepped and if you're going to get blown off near the top of your range in this kind of spot, you're opening yourself up to a lot of exploitation
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  15. icufish icufish is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 4:04pm) in reply to FenwayKing

    you are stuck calling... and should be pretty happy about that.

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