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  1. Aggie_E Aggie_E is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 7:56pm)

    pokerstars Game #43667349681: Tournament #309011253, $150+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (600/1200) - 2010/05/05 18:53:32 CT [2010/05/05 19:53:32 ET]

    Table '309011253 48' 9-max Seat #5 is the button

    Seat 1: Assassinato (50661 in chips)

    Seat 3: gnetaren (21699 in chips)

    Seat 4: govshark2 (96385 in chips)

    Seat 5: Aggie E (99347 in chips)

    Seat 6: joocs (14158 in chips)

    Seat 7: prangata23 (18809 in chips)

    Seat 8: Laff2er (30330 in chips)

    Seat 9: Count_NN (57530 in chips)

    Assassinato: posts the ante 150

    gnetaren: posts the ante 150

    govshark2: posts the ante 150

    Aggie E: posts the ante 150

    joocs: posts the ante 150

    prangata23: posts the ante 150

    Laff2er: posts the ante 150

    Count_NN: posts the ante 150

    joocs: posts small blind 600

    prangata23: posts big blind 1200

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Aggie E [Ks Ad]

    Laff2er: folds

    Count_NN: raises 1477 to 2677

    Assassinato: raises 3523 to 6200

    gnetaren: folds

    govshark2: folds

    Aggie E:???
  2. beorn22 beorn22 is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 8:10pm) in reply to Aggie_E

    Need more info on. your image? other players styles? etc.
  3. Shaaarrrp Shaaarrrp is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 8:11pm) in reply to Aggie_E

    I would raise and not fold
     
  4. trippkirk trippkirk is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 8:12pm) in reply to beorn22

     
    Originally Posted by beorn22 View Post

    Need more info on. your image? other players styles? etc.

    You don't need any more info, make it 14650 and call shove.
     
  5. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 8:16pm) in reply to Aggie_E

    4 bet to 14,000 and then call a shove. In the pretty unlikely event that Count_NN 5 bet shoves and then Assassinato calls all-in, you can fold, but if just either one of them 5 bets, it is an easy call.
     
  6. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 8:43pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

     
    Originally Posted by CalBandGreat View Post

    4 bet to 14,000 and then call a shove. In the pretty unlikely event that Count_NN 5 bet shoves and then Assassinato calls all-in, you can fold, but if just either one of them 5 bets, it is an easy call.

    this makes sense on first glance but..your ok with turning AK into a bluff here?
    466 
  7. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 8:49pm) in reply to beorn22

    13200 and call
     
  8. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 10:10pm) in reply to cotchery89

     
    Originally Posted by cotchery89 View Post


    this makes sense on first glance but..your ok with turning AK into a bluff here?

    In this case you are NOT turning it into a bluff. You just realized you are absolutely dead
  9. Justin Tobin Justin Tobin is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 10:44pm) in reply to el arracachero

    If you decide to cold 4-bet in this spot, then obv you're not 4-bet folding bc that would essentially be turning ur AK into a bluff imo.

    If, like CalB said, CountNN shoves and Assassinato calls...I may not even be folding in that unlikely case even tho I think it looks like a tough spot in which you are either flipping or crushed, but since you are closing the action and getting about 3.5-to-1 on your call at that point (assuming you 4bet to around 14k), that makes it a tough laydown. Also, considering the fact that you'd be taking a shot to get rid of a very talented and threatening opponent in Assassinato (maybe countNN too, don't know anything about him tho) plus you'd still have 35bbs left if you lost, I would prob still call for those reasons.

    In the moment I would probably make it 15,890 and call whatever action happened behind bc of the reasons stated above, especially the reason of taking a shot to bust one or possibly two very talented and threatening opponents.

    Please feel free to critique flaws in my logic, I need to get better so I welcome any thoughts on this...thanks!
  10. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 11:10pm) in reply to Justin Tobin

     
    Originally Posted by Justin Tobin View Post

    If you decide to cold 4-bet in this spot, then obv you're not 4-bet folding bc that would essentially be turning ur AK into a bluff imo.

    If, like CalB said, CountNN shoves and Assassinato calls...I may not even be folding in that unlikely case even tho I think it looks like a tough spot in which you are either flipping or crushed, but since you are closing the action and getting about 3.5-to-1 on your call at that point (assuming you 4bet to around 14k), that makes it a tough laydown.

    This is one of the diferences between tournament poker and cash games. In Tourneys you can skip this math correct calls because you are putting your life at risk and you can skip this chance if you feel you are more likely to chip up later where chips have more value than actual time. In cash you can make this calls because nothing is changing in the future and the pot you win is worth the same at all times. And if you lose you reload and keep playing.

    Even if you are getting correct odds when Original Raiser and Assassinato shove, its more EV to fold and keep playing IMO.

    You make a good point when you say if we call we have the chance to eliminate the dangerous Assassinato, but against two all ins, I dont think your chances are good even if you are math commited. Also, I would try to take Assasinato out if I have an edge against everybody but him on the table, but if there are many aggresive players in the table is not worth the risk in this spot (Assuming both villains shove).
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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 11:11pm) in reply to Shaaarrrp

     
    Originally Posted by Shaaarrrp View Post

    I would raise and not fold

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  12. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    May 5th, 2010 (5/5/2010 11:18pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Shaaarrrp View Post

    I would raise and not fold

    Not even if they both shove?
  13. iamunLUCKY iamunLUCKY is offline

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    May 6th, 2010 (5/6/2010 1:39am) in reply to CalBandGreat

     
    Originally Posted by CalBandGreat View Post

    4 bet to 14,000 and then call a shove. In the pretty unlikely event that Count_NN 5 bet shoves and then Assassinato calls all-in, you can fold, but if just either one of them 5 bets, it is an easy call.

    yup
     
  14. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    May 6th, 2010 (5/6/2010 2:19am) in reply to CalBandGreat

     
    Originally Posted by CalBandGreat View Post

    4 bet to 14,000 and then call a shove. In the pretty unlikely event that Count_NN 5 bet shoves and then Assassinato calls all-in, you can fold, but if just either one of them 5 bets, it is an easy call.

    I prefer 15555 (silly number thing) but other than that this is exactly what I planned on typing out before I went out for the evening.
     
  15. nw25th nw25th is offline

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    May 6th, 2010 (5/6/2010 7:03am) in reply to s.l. halper

    Fold an Ace and a King??? Crazy talk!!! I wish I had the power to do that...

    pokerstars Game #43682714433: Tournament #309010194, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2010/05/06 19:51:46 JST [2010/05/06 6:51:46 ET]

    Table '309010194 9' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

    Seat 1: ~KingSp€rHA~ (9352 in chips)

    Seat 2: stellaheiny (3466 in chips)

    Seat 3: redbob14 (8680 in chips)

    Seat 4: Joowst (21663 in chips)

    Seat 5: duskyshark82 (5862 in chips)

    Seat 6: nw25th (11885 in chips)

    Seat 7: BunnieLee (7702 in chips)

    Seat 8: naga116 (20205 in chips)

    Seat 9: rohlajs657 (385 in chips)

    ~KingSp€rHA~: posts the ante 25

    stellaheiny: posts the ante 25

    redbob14: posts the ante 25

    Joowst: posts the ante 25

    duskyshark82: posts the ante 25

    nw25th: posts the ante 25

    BunnieLee: posts the ante 25

    naga116: posts the ante 25

    rohlajs657: posts the ante 25

    rohlajs657: posts small blind 150

    ~KingSp€rHA~: posts big blind 300

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to nw25th [Ac Ks]

    stellaheiny: folds

    redbob14: folds

    Joowst: raises 466 to 766

    duskyshark82: folds

    nw25th: raises 2094 to 2860

    BunnieLee: folds

    naga116: calls 2860

    rohlajs657: calls 210 and is all-in

    ~KingSp€rHA~: raises 6467 to 9327 and is all-in

    Joowst: folds

    nw25th: calls 6467

    naga116: calls 6467

    *** FLOP *** [Kc 6c 5c]

    nw25th: bets 2533 and is all-in

    naga116: calls 2533

    *** TURN *** [Kc 6c 5c] [9c]

    *** RIVER *** [Kc 6c 5c 9c] [4c]

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    nw25th: shows [Ac Ks] (a flush, Ace high)

    naga116: shows [Qd Kh] (a flush, King high)

    nw25th collected 5066 from side pot-2

    ~KingSp€rHA~: shows [As Ah] (a flush, King high)

    nw25th collected 27307 from side pot-1

    rohlajs657: shows [9d 9h] (a flush, King high)

    nw25th collected 2025 from main pot

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 34398 Main pot 2025. Side pot-1 27307. Side pot-2 5066. | Rake 0
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