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WWYD-- JJ on button vs raise in $8 tourney with 2 tables left ??

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  1. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2010 (7/8/2010 11:43pm)

    - villain was a mini-ftops winner and had been rather tight until 2 orbits ago...
    - we were 6 handed, he picked up some chips with a 3bet shove in the bb vs. 6x raise from sb... sb called and villain sucked out AQo > AKs
    - 2 hands later, raises & no callers and shows 1010...
    - 7 hands later, loses some chips after calling 2 all-ins in front of him (5 bb shove, 10 bb call) with 1010... up against another 1010 and AQ, and AQ gets there...
    - next hand is blind vs. blind, shoves in sb with J7o and wins vs. Q10s call with 5bb...

    - few hands later i get this...

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22163769283: $8 + $0.80 Tournament (171182572), Table 11 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:51:43 ET - 2010/07/08
    Seat 1: Shamiqua (20,545)
    Seat 2: STATDADDY1979 (8,770)
    Seat 3: dOpO_23 (12,850)
    Seat 4: thefattestgirls (13,944)
    Seat 5: THEchipCHIPER (26,928)
    Seat 6: Dustin Simms (7,545)
    Seat 8: mogoxx (18,345)
    Seat 9: Something Horse (6,345)
    Shamiqua antes 100
    STATDADDY1979 antes 100
    dOpO_23 antes 100
    thefattestgirls antes 100
    THEchipCHIPER antes 100
    Dustin Simms antes 100
    mogoxx antes 100
    Something Horse antes 100
    Something Horse posts the small blind of 400
    Shamiqua posts the big blind of 800
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mogoxx [Jh Js]
    STATDADDY1979 folds
    dOpO_23 folds
    thefattestgirls folds
    THEchipCHIPER raises to 3,200
    Dustin Simms folds
    mogoxx has 15 seconds left to act ???????????

    i'm about 6th in chips with 16 left... i have about 22 bbs... WWYD?

    1. just call and take a flop? how do you proceed if A,K,Q hits?
    2. re-raise? and to what, like 8800? call or fold shove then?
    3. shove? do i have fold equity?

    i look forward to some responses with insight on what good course of action would be here... thanks guys!!
  2. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2010 (7/8/2010 11:45pm) in reply to mogoxx

    jammin here everytime
  3. JokersOnYou JokersOnYou is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2010 (7/8/2010 11:48pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    put all your chips in the middle
     
  4. shane3769 shane3769 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2010 (7/8/2010 11:48pm) in reply to JokersOnYou

    u dont need the information u typed out, shove
     
  5. tizzle26 tizzle26 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 12:07am) in reply to mogoxx

    thinking way too hard jst find a way to get it in and be less results oriented put in more volume ull get there
     
  6. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 12:09am) in reply to tizzle26

    i understand it's easy to just respond shove, but WHY shove?

    nobody calls and plays in position?
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  7. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 12:12am) in reply to mogoxx

    i'm just trying to see if anybody can provide some type of solid reasoning to something other than a standard shove... or is it just that cut and dry here???
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  8. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 12:12am) in reply to mogoxx

     
    Originally Posted by mogoxx View Post

    i understand it's easy to just respond shove, but WHY shove?

    nobody calls and plays in position?

    you want to put 20% of your chips in the middle with the intention of playing postflop?
     
  9. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 12:19am) in reply to rivverkiller

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

    you want to put 20% of your chips in the middle with the intention of playing postflop?

    hmmm ya i guess not, point taken...

    i guess i just find these spots frustrating, although standard.... i'm sure i'm not alone on here, with hands like mid-pp and not much of a stack to do anything with...

    of course i shoved, villian tank called with AKs and hit K on the flop....
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  10. tizzle26 tizzle26 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 12:55am) in reply to mogoxx

    If u flat imo ur stuck calling down most boards even if ovrs with your stack. If u think hes rasing really wid that might be the best play. I think 3 bet/call all in/ shove is the best line here tho
     
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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 2:22am) in reply to mogoxx

     
    Originally Posted by mogoxx View Post

    hmmm ya i guess not, point taken...

    i guess i just find these spots frustrating, although standard.... i'm sure i'm not alone on here, with hands like mid-pp and not much of a stack to do anything with...

    of course i shoved, villian tank called with AKs and hit K on the flop....

    If you want to win a tournament, you have to win races. If you call 20% of your stack with a vulnerable hand and fold any time there is an a,k, or q on the board you are never going to win.
     
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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 2:24am) in reply to shane3769

    min raise
  13. Goal4Ziggy Goal4Ziggy is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 2:46am) in reply to mogoxx

     
    Originally Posted by mogoxx View Post

    hmmm ya i guess not, point taken...

    i guess i just find these spots frustrating, although standard.... i'm sure i'm not alone on here, with hands like mid-pp and not much of a stack to do anything with...

    of course i shoved, villian tank called with AKs and hit K on the flop....

    lol he did no tanking. Maybe he was on other tables, this is the most standard shove and call ever.
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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 3:11am) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    You're play was good up until you lost the flip, time rng better next time for better results tho.
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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 3:35am) in reply to rainmanrcp

     
    Originally Posted by rainmanrcp View Post

    You're play was good up until you lost the flip, time rng better next time for better results tho.

    This. SHOVE here every time. JJ is so far ahead of what I have seen people show this late in these games.
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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 3:48am) in reply to josephf

    If your that uncomfortable with the jacks, and you feel he is on a heater, then just fold emand wait for a better spot, you got 22bb left and are sitting 6th.
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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 4:53am) in reply to shane3769

     
    Originally Posted by shane3769 View Post

    u dont need the information u typed out, shove


    ya, you don't need FE either
     
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