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WWYD spot with JJ late in a tourney?????

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  1. Jungcabar Jungcabar is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 4:13am)

    The villian has been calling every single raise i have made, and i have seen him semi-bluff flops a few times. He haas also three bet me a few times and i have layed down AJ and a few pocket pairs. I feel like shoving on the flop on the chance he has a medium pair and thinks i was just raising ATC from late position. What do you guys think about this spot?
    <PRE>
    pokerstars Game #25110056407: Tournament #140556116, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/02/19 1:59:11 PT [2009/02/19 4:59:11 ET]
    Table '140556116 38' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Catflappo (5657 in chips)
    Seat 2: terrysu83 (34813 in chips)
    Seat 3: TurtleEgon (9050 in chips)
    Seat 4: sweetapplepi (4050 in chips)
    Seat 5: mvc11 (12641 in chips)
    Seat 6: JLC3692 (4395 in chips)
    Seat 7: jung_32 (7550 in chips)
    Seat 8: marcelomagic (12750 in chips)
    Seat 9: zach750610 (23887 in chips)
    Catflappo: posts the ante 25
    terrysu83: posts the ante 25
    TurtleEgon: posts the ante 25
    sweetapplepi: posts the ante 25
    mvc11: posts the ante 25
    JLC3692: posts the ante 25
    jung_32: posts the ante 25
    marcelomagic: posts the ante 25
    zach750610: posts the ante 25
    zach750610: posts small blind 150
    Catflappo: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jung_32 [Jc Jh]
    terrysu83: folds
    TurtleEgon: folds
    sweetapplepi: folds
    mvc11: folds
    JLC3692: folds
    jung_32: raises 600 to 900
    marcelomagic: folds
    zach750610: calls 750
    Catflappo: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [5s Qd 9c]
    zach750610: bets 1200
    Catflappo: folds
    jung_32: calls 1200
    *** TURN *** [5s Qd 9c] [Ks]
    zach750610: checks
    jung_32: ???????</PRE>
  2. ripomatic ripomatic is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 4:43am) in reply to Jungcabar

    As played i feel the best you can do is hope to check it down, otherwise i fold to any pressure! I feel on the flop you have a shove /fold situation, with the overcard.

    If said villain has been opening alot and 3-betting often I definitely would be tightening up picking a spot to 3-bet/shove on him.(JJ is a hand i jam him with) minimum raise your big hands in hopes of him RR then jam him. but dont let him dictate your play and how you play the rest of the table.
  3. Jungcabar Jungcabar is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 5:22am) in reply to ripomatic

    I feel like his bet on the flop is a feeler bet but nothing big. if it was a big hand like AQ or KQ, it would make more sense to check/raise the flop. then he checks the turn. i just sense a lot of weakness in how he has played the hand.
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  4. elusively elusively is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 7:54am) in reply to Jungcabar

    Sounds like the villian is playing LAG-ish which means his range making that flop bet probably has a lot of air in it. I think you should have got it in on the flop.

    As played, check behind, re-evaluate the river, but you might have to make a tough call.
  5. woertink woertink is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 8:05am) in reply to elusively

    tbh i pry just fold the flop. is he rly leading into two people without a Q? i think his lead is a weak Q such as q8-QJ... however if ur gunna play the hand id get it in on teh flop. edit: with ur read on teh guy get it in on the flop fo sho.
  6. Popperhead Popperhead is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 9:13am) in reply to woertink

    Could be leading on a draw for sure If u arent willing to call his reraise i'd check-back turn and try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible
  7. ficha19 ficha19 is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 9:16am) in reply to Popperhead

    check behind
  8. Jungcabar Jungcabar is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 10:37am) in reply to ficha19

    is there any way that representing the K is a good move? in all reality that king can hit a lot of a late position pre-flop raiser range. KJ, KQ, K9s, J10s, AK. i can still have AA or a set. Is this something that would be +EV in the long run?? or is getting the cheap check down the safest way to go?
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  9. WolffMan1212 WolffMan1212 is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 11:38am) in reply to Popperhead

     
    Originally Posted by Popperhead View Post

    Could be leading on a draw for sure If u arent willing to call his reraise i'd check-back turn and try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible

    this
  10. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 11:42am) in reply to WolffMan1212

    I check back and call almost all river bets here.
  11. Jungcabar Jungcabar is offline

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    Feb 19th, 2009 (2/19/2009 12:12pm) in reply to ronkend

    well, i really felt like the guy couldnt call a pot sized all-in on the turn. he flat called my preflop raise, made a little bet on the flop and checked the turn. so this is what i did:

    pokerstars Game #25110056407: Tournament #140556116, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/02/19 1:59:11 PT [2009/02/19 4:59:11 ET]
    Table '140556116 38' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Catflappo (5657 in chips)
    Seat 2: terrysu83 (34813 in chips)
    Seat 3: TurtleEgon (9050 in chips)
    Seat 4: sweetapplepi (4050 in chips)
    Seat 5: mvc11 (12641 in chips)
    Seat 6: JLC3692 (4395 in chips)
    Seat 7: jung_32 (7550 in chips)
    Seat 8: marcelomagic (12750 in chips)
    Seat 9: zach750610 (23887 in chips)
    Catflappo: posts the ante 25
    terrysu83: posts the ante 25
    TurtleEgon: posts the ante 25
    sweetapplepi: posts the ante 25
    mvc11: posts the ante 25
    JLC3692: posts the ante 25
    jung_32: posts the ante 25
    marcelomagic: posts the ante 25
    zach750610: posts the ante 25
    zach750610: posts small blind 150
    Catflappo: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jung_32 [Jc Jh]
    terrysu83: folds
    TurtleEgon: folds
    sweetapplepi: folds
    mvc11: folds
    JLC3692: folds
    jung_32: raises 600 to 900
    marcelomagic: folds
    zach750610: calls 750
    Catflappo: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [5s Qd 9c]
    zach750610: bets 1200
    Catflappo: folds
    jung_32: calls 1200
    *** TURN *** [5s Qd 9c] [Ks]
    zach750610: checks
    jung_32: bets 5425 and is all-in
    zach750610: calls 5425
    *** RIVER *** [5s Qd 9c Ks] [8d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    zach750610: shows [Qh 7h] (a pair of Queens)
    jung_32: shows [Jc Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
    zach750610 collected 16175 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 16175 | Rake 0
    Board [5s Qd 9c Ks 8d]
    Seat 1: Catflappo (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: terrysu83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: TurtleEgon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: sweetapplepi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: mvc11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: JLC3692 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: jung_32 showed [Jc Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 8: marcelomagic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: zach750610 (small blind) showed [Qh 7h] and won (16175) with a pair of Queens
    i played this hand in a way that i really thought i was representing a bigger hand than Q7, but i guess not.
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