I was kind of confused as to what he could've been calling with on the flop and turn. I felt like this river might have somehow been part of his range. Are you betting this river (if so, how much?), or checking behind? Ghost texted below, try not to peek?

pokerstars Game #68219942641: Tournament #540010244, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/09/29 21:07:33 JST [2011/09/29 8:07:33 ET]
Table '540010244 21' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Howardo29 (2730 in chips)
Seat 2: gerrywillie (3558 in chips)
Seat 3: Automagical (3383 in chips)
Seat 4: booboochanel (3525 in chips)
Seat 5: Wertuxai2011 (5426 in chips)
Seat 6: Glykodin174 (4185 in chips)
Seat 7: Balis10 (8682 in chips)
Seat 8: nw25th (2970 in chips)
Seat 9: shangai11 (550 in chips) is sitting out
Glykodin174: posts small blind 50
Balis10: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nw25th [Ks As]
nw25th: raises 150 to 250
shangai11: folds
Howardo29: folds
gerrywillie: folds
Automagical: folds
booboochanel: folds
Wertuxai2011 has timed out
Wertuxai2011: folds
Wertuxai2011 is sitting out
Glykodin174: folds
Wertuxai2011 has returned
Balis10: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9c 3d]
Balis10: checks
nw25th: bets 320
Balis10: calls 320
*** TURN *** [Kh 9c 3d] [Ad]
Balis10: checks
nw25th: bets 400
Balis10: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9c 3d Ad] [9d]
Balis10: checks
nw25th:

I am almost always checking back here. Betting at this stage of tournament opens the door to put you in a bad RR spot, most competant players are not hero calling unless your beat.

Call me nifty but I feel the value of betting at is offset by the times your beat and or folding.

Deeperstacked and deeper in tourney I feel can bet for value.

Thanks guys.
Guess I might've missed a bet. I checked behind, he showed KJo. Don't know if I would've gotten paid on a river bet. THANKS!

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Originally Posted by Gags30

definitely definitely bet...sure, he has a 9 sometimes, but he has KQ or Ax often enough to make this profitable. if he raises, it's an easy fold. bet big and expect to get paid off quite a bit

not so sure about the folding part if villian raises gags ...........hes already being told too bet big , bet folding seems like suicide

You absolutely have to bet here at these stakes. You will almost never be check-raised with a worse hand, (probably gona be a 9 or running diamonds), and you're almost always getting value out of Kx or Ax, even on the river. People don't fold pairs, especially not random BB flatters in $11 freezeouts.

Anyone else feel as though a bigger bet on the turn could've led to a near pot sized jam on the river? Personally this is a spot where I used to value a lot, but with a LAG image, I started to realize I can shove these rivers and get called by Ax or Kx all day at these stakes. If you are betting more than 700 on the turn (which I def would), then you are setup for a jam quite nicely.

Part of the reason I like this line is because your villain is relatively deep stacked, and it would seem quite spewy too (personally I hate his flat, and I think KJo is a fold for most people OOP). Most players who flat these types of hands don't like to take a 9k stack in this spot and call two barrels then fold to a river shove.

Bet river 100% of time. IMO you could bet around 500 on river for value from any K, or just jam allin to make it look like a bluff. I think if you bet anywhere in between it lessens your chance of getting called.

lol Ive played alot of 11 tournaments and the players are bad and call off light. Def bet more turn like 600 so your overshove river doesnt look so huge. To the people saying b/f riv are wrong because you should be sizing turn to shove river because if the villians calling such a horrid turn then he def has a medium strength hand and with everyone these days overbetting light these are spots that are super easy. If he calls turn then im 100% shoving any river for total val. If he randomly holds on with a weird 9 then w/e but the times he calls with a weaker hand definetly outways the times he randomly has a 9 here which are pretty much never if he's calling a turn bet.

A V-bet on the river is slightly the SAFER line to take here I think.

His call on the flop I'm putting him on a out kicked king (KQ or worse) or some stupid draw call like QT or JT. Unless he hit a nine looking for turn info.

The Turn with the A followed by his call narrows his range to either a bad call with the 2nd pair (K whattever) unless it makes a flush draw with the Kd Xd or an even worse call with the gut shot still. But I still think a Top pair (Kd)+flush draw or a gutshot+flush draw or even any 9 would make a play here and he didnt.

The river I feel by the way the hand is played is pretty safe for you, so its all up to whether he has an out kicked King, a missed draw, or got lucky with a third 9 or a backdoor flush.

If you v-bet he either makes a bad call out kicked, or folds the missed draw....and if he check raises you are almost committed anyways and were just out played or coolered if he has trips, a boat, or a flush. gg

Basically what everyone else said... Id size turn a bit bigger so you can shove any river for about 2/3 or 3/4 psb.

agree with some of what villagegrinder said. i think people saying to bet bigger/a lot bigger on turn are being result oriented or just aren't playing it optimally. i mean, this board is still pretty dry on the turn and we've basically got the nuts, and the Ace is potentially a big action killer for us. betting smaller on turn allows hero to get value more often out of Kx and can also induce an occasional bluff from villain when he makes a bad flop peel with stuff like QJ/QT/JT (or it can cause him to peel again with one of those hands when he obv doesn't have the right price to do so, even when our turn bet is 400 or w/e).

so ya, betting bigger on the turn to jam river is fine if we expect to get 3 streets of (big) value from villain often enough, but that seems pretty unlikely given the turn card and his range. i'd rather bet something like 300/400/700, or occasionally 300/check/800 (or if for some reason we think Ax is a big part of his range by the river, we can just go 300/400/pot size jam... again tho, seems unlikely).

anyway, as played you've got 1 psb left. if you think he's got an Ace a lot or is the type of player that just isn't going to fold ever once he flops top pair, then bet big or just jam. if you think Kx is more likely, just bet like 1/4 to 1/3 pot.

RK-mad respect for your thought process overall but, in this instance, I def think its more likely that a random 11dolla mtt'er folds a K (esp a weak one) to double barrel action from us on this board.

I actually think it would be more likely that we get called down from a player that we know to be on a higher level of thought process cause, they're gonna know (and perhaps they're gonna know that we know) that the A is a perfect card to barrel at, and figure that their K is good there a lot of time.