i dont understand the flat call on the turn... you hit the card you were looking for, so id reraise him... at least you will have a decent idea of where you are at in the hand. as played idk wtf to think, i mean u showed weakness on the turn so your hand is underrepped... i call

Awful advice by the two above me. I don't understand the statement in OP of "I don't have any reads on the player but he seems pretty weak and donkish" <---what?

As for the hand, I would def just fold the flop, but if you decide to not give this up I prefer floating over the raise. If he's like you say he is (Im very confused by that BTW) he's not folding anything he leads flop with and you're just spewing chips. On turn, flat is def the best option. Raising makes no sense. On river I think this is a fold. Your line looks pretty strongish/not foldingish and he doesn't seem to care much. I only see you beating 67 or some ridiculous spazz bluff.

i wanted to know my river play based on the previous action. i know i could have folded the flop, but wanted to give myself a chance to win the pot. especially since an out of position lead like that is often weak.

i flatted the turn because i wanted him to continue bluffing if he happened to be, but didn't wanna be wrong for my whole stack by shoving. i had a feeling he plays 88, 55, and sometimes AA like that, but it could also be a badly played AK by him. other than that, i can only beat a bluff really.

i showed strength by raising the flop and sticking around on the turn, so by him still firing on the river i put him on either a big hand or missed draw or even something strange like TT.

when i say i think he is weak and donkish, he had been flatting with good hands and is one of those straightforward players that bets when they have it and folds when they don't.

i was obv planning on calling most river bets but the all-in was just a little too much. if i fold at least i still have 600k, a comfortable amount for the blinds. if i call and am wrong, i'm out.

so, as played, do you call for all your chips on the river for a shot at a big stack or is it just too likely that i'm beat?

i think i play the entire hand the same except i call river

As played 100% fold the river...yes sometimes the early position lead out is weak but many players in these stakes lead a bbs 2 pair for value considering if someone had A8 it would be very tough for that person to put the early position player on junk like 82 & 52...on turn the king hits and he leads out anyway after you raise him on flop so most of the time hes claiming he can beat a king (its possible hes using this to bluff but at these stakes its not a high percentage) and the river should scream big hand bc many times micro stakes players will overbet jam the river wanting to look weak when they are super strong bc they dont understand how to make value bets on the end...minimum i put him on here is A2 and theres quite a good chance he has some weird boat...after the fold you still have 35 ish bb's which is still enough to win pots w/o putting your entire stack at risk

 

Originally Posted by jpapola

 

Originally Posted by Top_Gun_BE23

As played 100% fold the river...yes sometimes the early position lead out is weak but many players in these stakes lead a bbs 2 pair for value considering if someone had A8 it would be very tough for that person to put the early position player on junk like 82 & 52...on turn the king hits and he leads out anyway after you raise him on flop so most of the time hes claiming he can beat a king (its possible hes using this to bluff but at these stakes its not a high percentage) and the river should scream big hand bc many times micro stakes players will overbet jam the river wanting to look weak when they are super strong bc they dont understand how to make value bets on the end...minimum i put him on here is A2 and theres quite a good chance he has some weird boat...after the fold you still have 35 ish bb's which is still enough to win pots w/o putting your entire stack at risk

i think its unlikely our opponent has 2 pair here because he called an ep raise. 82 or 25 seem very unlikely. against 85 sooted we are good on the river because he gets counterfeited. i think its also unlikely he takes this line for value. if he flat called our raise on the flop with a big hand to trap us, he'd check the turn to let us fire another bullet. also, with a monster hand why would he make a small bet on the turn and then just over shove the river? wouldnt he want to put more money in the pot on the turn with a big hand? to me it looks like he led on the turn to see what u do, and when u just called he knew he had to bet to win the pot on the river so he made a bet he thought was most likely to get a fold.

Might have 43s (obv sooted), and made those blockish bets on the flop and on the turn! When he missed his draw, he felt he had to pull the trigger and force you out of the hand. That, or he has 22 :P

 

Originally Posted by donkey_kong0

yep i agree with most of you guys. his lead on the turn/my call on the turn might tell him that i do have a king and therefore him shoving a monster on the river might get called. either that or bluff, or being stubborn with an 8.

it was pretty much 50-50 and i chose to fold. i just would have hated calling all in and losing there. glad to hear at least some of you would take a similar line. thanks for the replies.

i ended up taking 7th upon losing to a 3 outer on the river. we'll never know what would have happened had i called.

yea, with a read on the table the river could be a fold. ur line was perfect though and river is a soul read spot