When it first happened, I used to not like him and the situation at all. But I h ave several friends who know him, and I think he really does feel bad for what he did, and has moved on. His case is 100% different than JJ, since Zee was caught, apologized, and hasn't done it again. JJ was caught several times, laughed about it, and still does it.

I think Zee should be welcome back, and I wish him well. I think he is a mature guy who understands what he did was wrong, as opposed to JJ who is young and arrogant and doesn't give a fuck.

Hey man when you get caught doing shit you feel bad , the prisons in this country(USA) are full of people like that.
I dont know this guy but if he were a dude caught Ma'ing 2dollar 180's then he would never ,never be able to play on pokerstars again ....this seems to be a systematic flaw in our thinking today that if the upper class (in poker terms well known players) can get away it and not experience serious repercussions then we as a society and a community are screwed.
As i said i dont know zee ,this is not a personal attack on the guy this is just an observation on the situation in general.

 

Originally Posted by FadeToMac

let us not forget that he was, like what, 19 at the time. Most all of us made some level of poor decisions at that age. As we grow and mature, we see the error of our ways and don't make the same mistakes again.

I think he has served enough time, has from all accounts showed remorse and maturity, and taken responsibility for his actions. I have no problem with the reinstatement.

why?

Take a look at his blog, or look at a re-run of one his final tables, its quite obvious he's as sincere as you can get, Judging by the reaction of some off the most respected players in the community. This is obviously a no brainer....parole granted...

On another note, could p5s install a filter function, where you are given the option to delete all posts in a thread, apart from Brsavage, and a handfull of other insightfull posters.. Cut to the chase button?

 

Originally Posted by ubsolute

Take a look at his blog, or look at a re-run of one his final tables, its quite obvious he's as sincere as you can get, Judging by the reaction of some off the most respected players in the community. This is obviously a no brainer....parole granted...

On another note, could p5s install a filter function, where you are given the option to delete all posts in a thread, apart from Brsavage, and a handfull of other insightfull posters.. Cut to the chase button?

lol maybe thats how they work it at boards.ie but not here buddy this is a real poker forum

I am with AFink on this. And people have told me before when I defended JJ, once a cheater always a cheater. Sure, maybe ZJ has changed. Maybe JJ has as well, as was stated way back on like page 3, this is the 2009 version of ZJ that stars believes. Its 2009, bring JJ back as well. I am not friends with ZJ, I do not know him but I am promising 100% fact, there is NO WAY IN HELL that ZJ did not play online on stars or tilt one time since the ban 3 years ago. No way in hell he did not. It was not on his original account obviously, but there is just no possible way he did not in three years on the biggest sites online, especially during the WCOOP. Ghosting or not....

so if you bring ZJ back and go against the rules without bringing JJ and the others back...If I were JJ, well I know what I would be doing

 

Originally Posted by pokerjamers

lol @ people disagreeing with stars decision. doubt ur opinion matters anyways

its a poker forum dumb bumb, aka a place where people express their opinions

After reading this entire thread and every opinion offered the bottom line is he was cheating, he was caught, he was banned. Now reinstated because he has shown remorse, gives to charity, It's been 3 years, etc. I could care less about Zee I don't know the guy, he might be great guy who made a mistake when he was young but that should not factor in on the decision from pokerstars. If he was issued a life ban it should be enforced, period end of discussion. Pandora's box is now opened. This is simply not the right thing to do. I am stunned that they would do this for many reasons, but hey Plusizehoney knocked me out of a final table got caught Ma'ing gave a lame excuse and poof just close that account and play under your own name and all is good, except im out a few thousand bucks, so imho standard pokerstars being the judge, jury and the parole board. By the way PStars send me the $$$ plussize cost me and I might change my mind!! Don't think either will happen. Just in time for the SCOOP too, coincidence I think not.

pokerstars:

[ ] now has documented penance criteria that‚ once completed‚ will let any former cheater back onto their site

[ ] is discouraging other people to cheat‚ because if they're caught‚ there's no way they'll be allowed back on the site to cheat people again

[x] is imposing an arbitrary standard by which they can include or exclude players at their sole discretion

[x] is fairly certain they don't give a shit what you think‚ because they answer to no one in the current poker market

 

Originally Posted by AFink93

Well they better let Josh and everyone else who did this back on their site as well. Just because ZeeJustin is friends with KidPoker and had some decent results live doesnt take away from what he did.. stars definatly dropped the ball here.

This.

lmao when can i get unbanned???? i didnt even do ne thing lololol

See you in OT.

Can't badmouth anyone that likes Dokken. All I'll say is GG.

Don't know you but have read some of your posts. I'm pretty new to P5s but I agree with you. It seems a little whorish to solicit conversation about the cheaters reinstatement. Frankly though, I am more pissed at stars myself. Take some time and chill and we'll see ya sooner or later I would guess.
F U Stars.

 

Originally Posted by RustyNail

After being a long time poster on P5s in the PD forums, as well as a featured blogger, I have decided to retire from the P5s community. This site has just become too much for me to handle. Today was the final straw when the front page had an article about ZeeJustin being reinstated and the writer telling us all to go discuss it in the forums. It doens't seem like articles like this are productive to poker.

This all really started with me when Seals article about multiaccounting came out. A world where you can do something bad, get busted, apologize and be reinstated because you are a big name player just doesn't seem right to me. I am sorry to Lenny and Adam, but it is how I feel, and I really need to say it. What makes Zeejustin, Brian Townsend and JJProdigy special?

So, what's next for the Rustynail? Only time will tell. I may backpack around Europe for the summer with my friends Bullmoosesdad and Slamsloppy just to get my head back on straight, take a little time off, who knows. But, I wanted to make an official goodbye, hope this post lasts more than a few minutes.

I'm sorry you feel this way. Think about it from our point of view, though. We're a discussion forum. Our goal is to encourage people to discuss issues in online poker. This is a big issue, and the purpose of the article was to make people aware of the issue and get people to discuss their opinions on that. I'm just not sure what's wrong with that.

With the Seal issue, I don't know if you've noticed but he's never had another article posted here since then, and I have barely if ever seen him post since then. Our content team made a mistake by posting that article to begin, it was then taken off the front page, and we backed up the opinions that seemed to be the majority opinions in the forums which were that he shouldn't be writing here anymore. We came out and publicly apologized for the mistake, which was made by a P5s employee who is a human being and makes mistakes. It was an error in judgment, and if we're accused of not being perfect, we'll be fine with admitting that...

Getting back to the current issue, what your problem seems to be is more an issue of being angry about the situation and taking it out on anyone you possibly can. I can understand that--it's tough when you see something one way but people with more control over the situation see it a different way, and that's the case for everyone who feels that ZeeJustin shouldn't be given a second chance on stars. I just don't know what else you would have wanted us to do about it though... With our news articles, we aren't going to take a stance on the issue--our content team isn't allowed to give their personal opinions on something like this. They simply reported what happened. We invited P5ers to give their opinions in the forum on this. We set up a poll to give ourselves and the rest of the community an idea of how people were divided on this issue.

I would think that simply encouraging others to give their stance on this issue isn't something that could possibly upset anyone. Obviously I was wrong, but your post seems awfully accusatory towards us. That part I don't get, and if you know the amount of effort our organization has put into trying to help poker sites stop players from cheating, you would not blame us for the problems that are out there. It's a big problem, and we want to fix it. Encouraging awareness and further discussion, in our opinion, is a part of that.