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  1. TheEngineer TheEngineer is offline Rich Muny - PPA Board VP

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    Oct 19th, 2012 (10/19/2012 10:35pm)

    Draft of Reid/Kyl Online Poker Bill Obtained by PPA, by Chris Grove

    http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-re...ned-ppa-19-10/

     

    Roughly a month after an summary of the long-rumored Reid/Kyl bill found its way into the hands of the media, additional details regarding the legislation are emerging.

    Rich Muny, VP of Player Relations for the Poker Players Alliance, confirmed to pokerfuse that a legitimate draft of the bill does exist and the PPA has acquired a copy.

    According to Muny, the full draft of the bill does not differ significantly from the summary that circulated in September, save one critical change: Language regarding player penalties has been removed from the bill.....

     
  2. TheEngineer TheEngineer is offline Rich Muny - PPA Board VP

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    Oct 19th, 2012 (10/19/2012 10:35pm) in reply to TheEngineer

    For more on Chris Grove, please check out my interview with him from earlier this week (listen here).
    Edited By: TheEngineer Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:36 PM
     
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  3. TheEngineer TheEngineer is offline Rich Muny - PPA Board VP

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    Oct 19th, 2012 (10/19/2012 11:42pm) in reply to TheEngineer

    The draft Reid/Kyl Online Poker Bill, posted by QJs: http://quadjacks.com/wp-content/uplo...oker-Bill1.pdf
     
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    Oct 20th, 2012 (10/20/2012 1:09am) in reply to TheEngineer

    Thanks for posting, guys.

    Here is PocketFives' recap of the newest 73-page draft bill:
    http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...r-bill-587833/
     
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    Oct 20th, 2012 (10/20/2012 4:48pm) in reply to Dan

    I wonder if pokerstars/FTP will be exempt from the 5 year window since they have a signed deal with the DOJ where they didn't admit to wrong doing and the DOJ isn't prosecuting.
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    Oct 21st, 2012 (10/21/2012 5:01pm) in reply to rebelfd

     
    Originally Posted by rebelfd View Post

    I wonder if pokerstars/FTP will be exempt from the 5 year window since they have a signed deal with the DOJ where they didn't admit to wrong doing and the DOJ isn't prosecuting.

    That's a good question. I would think they would still need to prove that they weren't violating the law, or at least provide a compelling argument. Perhaps Rich Muny could share some more light on this, but he had said on Twitter that the bill was not favorable toward Stars.
     
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    Oct 21st, 2012 (10/21/2012 5:53pm) in reply to rebelfd

     
    Originally Posted by rebelfd View Post

    I wonder if pokerstars/FTP will be exempt from the 5 year window since they have a signed deal with the DOJ where they didn't admit to wrong doing and the DOJ isn't prosecuting.

    Highly doubt it, at least in terms of directly operating as themselves. They may be able to partner with US-based companies like Wynn, Sands, etc. to provide software or whatever. But I just don't see people playing on PokerStars in the US anytime in the next few years. Reid and Kyl's goal is to make this as friendly as possible to the land-based casinos in the states. That means keeping out competition that could have a leg up.

    Also, I mean this in no way to diminish PPA's efforts but I'm personally pessimistic about this bill actually going through. I am optimistic about poker opportunities for players continuing to grow in the US over the next couple years though.
     
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    Oct 21st, 2012 (10/21/2012 7:13pm) in reply to Adam

    This bill is so predictable. Kyl making sure the NFL gets what they want (Marty Gold is STILL an adviser to him), and Reid giving his Nevada monarchy the kingdom they want. Two of the most reprehensible figures that have ever been in the US Senate in it's history getting together to draft a garbage bill that wont pass constitutional muster. The window is closing for these whores, and they know it. The courts are starting to open things up, and if New Jersey beats the NFL, look out. You can't make illegal an activity that's legal in similar forms and alternative methods by way of carve outs, and protectionist legislative. It's unconstitutional, which is THE supreme law of the land.

    pokerstars has some brilliant people with them at Skaarden. They would have fought the charges and established precedent unless they were pretty sure there was a better way to return to the US market.
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    Oct 21st, 2012 (10/21/2012 7:21pm) in reply to shakhtar

     
    Originally Posted by shakhtar View Post

    This bill is so predictable. Kyl making sure the NFL gets what they want (Marty Gold is STILL an adviser to him), and Reid giving his Nevada monarchy the kingdom they want. Two of the most reprehensible figures that have ever been in the US Senate in it's history getting together to draft a garbage bill that wont pass constitutional muster. The window is closing for these whores, and they know it. The courts are starting to open things up, and if New Jersey beats the NFL, look out. You can't make illegal an activity that's legal in similar forms and alternative methods by way of carve outs, and protectionist legislative. It's unconstitutional, which is THE supreme law of the land.

    pokerstars has some brilliant people with them at Skaarden. They would have fought the charges and established precedent unless they were pretty sure there was a better way to return to the US market.


    Preach on! Every time I hear about the virtues of the "free market" from guys involved in drafting this type of legislation, I want to throw my remote at the TV screen. These people are such hypocrites. I recognize players just want poker above all else, but is there at least some small chance of just getting semi-fair legislation that isn't just about dividing the spoils for various campaign donors?
     
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    Oct 21st, 2012 (10/21/2012 10:49pm) in reply to Adam

     
    Originally Posted by Adam View Post

    Also, I mean this in no way to diminish PPA's efforts but I'm personally pessimistic about this bill actually going through. I am optimistic about poker opportunities for players continuing to grow in the US over the next couple years though.

    I don't see much of any way this gets through as a standalone bill, but it's possible it goes through as a rider similar to how the UIGEA was passed six years ago. Online poker would be attached as a pay-for to a piece of legislation that needs a funding mechanism.
     
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    Nov 23rd, 2012 (11/23/2012 3:38pm) in reply to Dan

    As an update to this, according to former U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement, several major flaws in the Reid/Kyl online poker bill could lead to it being deemed unconstitutional: http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...tional-587937/
     
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    Nov 23rd, 2012 (11/23/2012 5:22pm) in reply to Dan

    Interesting article, seems to me that online poker law going in with a Fiscal cliff bill is our best shot at passage.
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    Nov 23rd, 2012 (11/23/2012 7:21pm) in reply to rebelfd

     
    Originally Posted by rebelfd View Post

    Interesting article, seems to me that online poker law going in with a Fiscal cliff bill is our best shot at passage.

    It definitely is, especially as a bill that can lead to revenue generation. The fiscal cliff bill might not actually occur, however, so we'll have to see.
     
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    Nov 23rd, 2012 (11/23/2012 9:41pm) in reply to Dan

    Blah blah blah, 17 months after the fact and there's been pretty much zero significant development into legalizing online poker. Nothing but posturing.

    We'll be lucky to see Americans playing online poker by 2020.

    You can smoke as much weed as you want, but, poker, no fucking way! That's illegal!
    Edited By: spectrefax Nov 23rd, 2012 at 09:45 PM
     
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    Nov 24th, 2012 (11/24/2012 4:44am) in reply to spectrefax

     
    Originally Posted by spectrefax View Post

    Blah blah blah, 17 months after the fact and there's been pretty much zero significant development into legalizing online poker. Nothing but posturing.

    We'll be lucky to see Americans playing online poker by 2020.

    You can smoke as much weed as you want, but, poker, no fucking way! That's illegal!

    " Land of the free" at it's finest my brotha
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    Nov 24th, 2012 (11/24/2012 12:38pm) in reply to scottypimpin1

    Gentlemen why not help out by sending some tweets or getting active on Facebook? Super easy.

    http://www.pocketfives.com/f8/weeken...ml#post7109869
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    Nov 29th, 2012 (11/29/2012 7:38pm) in reply to rebelfd

    Certainly a less-than-encouraging sign for those wanting Federal regulation of online poker in the United States, as bickering among Harry Reid, Dean Heller, and Republicans could doom the bill: http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...-it-up-587951/
     
  18. TheEngineer TheEngineer is offline Rich Muny - PPA Board VP

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    Dec 8th, 2012 (12/8/2012 1:38am) in reply to Dan

    Yep...there's bickering and it's never a good sign. The federal bill is losing steam, but is still being pushed hard. An interesting side benefit is that the states see that they need to act before Congress gets involved. So, even if it fails, IMO this bill will probably improve the likelihood of action at the state level.
     
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