Some 9/11 facts .....
Firefighters heard explosions in the buildings ..... and have been silenced by the govt

There was a FEMA command center set up at the Sount Street seaport on 9/10/01.

The WTC's twin towers power was shut down in the days leading up to the attacks ... from the 50th floor on up . Hmmmmm

Bush's brother was in charge of security for whole complex up until 9/11/01, thats when his 2-yr contrct ran out ( as reported by the AP )

WTC 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition ... the owner ( silverstein) admitted that he and the Fire dept made the decision ...
- yet our govt still to this day hasnt said what the reason was that brought down #7 . Silverstein admitted this on PBS TV .....
- if it was admitted that the building was "pulled" , it takes weeks of planning to bring down a building of that size, not a few hrs .

WTC #7 was being reported as already collapsing 30min before it actually did.
( theres actual footage of reporters reporting about it with the building in the immediate background .... LOL

Doesn't really go into behind the scenes of 9/11. But here is something interesting.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/faux

Basically, the Clinton Democrats and the Bush/Regan Republicans are one in the same.

Gee, I thought I saw planes fly into those buildings...I guess I'm the crazy one!!!

That's right. I remember Hillary having her assets seized by Congress for aiding the Nazi party during wartime.

Embezzling really...yeah, God, some people are ignorant...

Anyway, let's say all of it is true...so???? Nothing from 1942 has any bearing on anything today. I don't care what Prescott Bush did back then. Who the fuck cares?

Back to the point...this is all being used to support an insane version of events on 9/11. He may have been everything you say he was, but using some very loose evidence and dubious accounts of the events to support your crackpot 9/11 theory won't do anything to convince anyone about the Nazi status of one Mr. Prescott Bush.

You're information on WTC 7 is incredibly incredibly flawed. I'm a mechanical engineer in Manhattan and there were extensive studies done on this building in order to prevent similar structural disasters in the future.

The building was struck with massive amounts of debris, as would be expected. This caused outer supports on the south and east sides of the building to "bulge" (This can clearly be seen on various news reports and photographs). What ended up happening was that there was a power failure (I already know you will say the power failure was planned ahead of time, that's not the case. I cant get into that further if you would like but it's very complicated) which caused the water pumps to not operate as maximum efficiency. This led to the fires on various floors, might be incorrect but i believe it was the damage to the lower floors (5th and 7th maybe) that were the main problems. The fire chiefs, chief engineers and building owners all agreed to evacuate the building and prepare for the worst. Saying that they both agreed to bring down the building is just completely twisting their words around (either that or some nifty editing). They made a decision, the correct one as it turned out, to let the building fall and limit the amount of casualties as best they could. The building fell sometime in the late afternoon of 9/11.

WTC 7 is often times compared with World Financial Center 2 (across the street from WTCs) in the sense of one building working properly (WFC 2) and one not (WFC 7).

As for the rest of your 9/11 inaccuracies, the only question i have is, why? Why did the gov't take the buildings down? Why did they hijack planes and then set off explosions when they couldve jsut set off the explosions and blamed it on terrorist planted bombs? Why would this huge coverup have so many flaws easily uncovered by a bunch of 20-somethings?

notP , at least you can discuss things like an adult .

WTC7 was "pulled" ... and the decision was made by the owner of WTC7 , raplh silverstein, to pull the building . He admitted this on PBS himself.

How can you pull a building in a few hrs with all that it takes to set up the explosives in the certain positions ...

Or are you gonna say that WTC7 collapsed on its own ?

Like I stated .... watch 9/11 MArtial LAw by Alex JOnes ...

I appreciate you at least having the time to post ur thoughts instead of just flamin

Thanks, I LOL'd.

I'm also a mechanical engineer. The damage to the WTC was analyzed and determined to be consistent with being hit by airplanes. Here are some articles:

www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
www.debunking911.com
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/di...mfuaK0.2676355
http://www.jod911.com/
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archiv...16-241966.html

I've never seen a balanced report that concludes that there was a conspiracy to take down the WTC buildings. Conspiracy theorists generally provide only one side of the story, unfortunately.

Did 2 Guns UP take over CFH101's account?

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i don't believe the wtc story that our government blew it up.
but hey, it sells a lot of books written by some guy who wants to be a legend in his own mind.

and, was it the cubans or the mafia who killed jfk. sometimes i kinda forget the details.

the real problem with our country since bush got "elected" is how easy it is to scare people.
if you can scare them often enough then you can do all kinds of crazy shit so they somehow feel safer.

like, searching through all the telephone conversations that happen every day. capture and mill around in the emails of all citizens just lookin for something.

all that makes the war on terrorism about as effective as the war on drugs. nada.

we could be out there in nations all around the world snuffing out the real terrorists. that would be helpful. hell, kill as many of them as the government lurkers can find. no gitmo. just a shot to the head. but forget about the part where you kill several neighbors, their wives and 12 kids. that kinda creates long term enemies, as in generations of people who hate us.

but no, we're in iraq wasting lives and a huge amount of money. we will be in debt for decades after bush goes "home" to texas. think about what else the government could spend trillions of dollars on. better healthcare. better schools. better highways. develop a real energy plan. get us off foreign oil. the list is endless.

no, the average citizen thinks about britney, and paris. we are a real forward thinking nation.
that's how the politicians want us to be. dumb, drunk, and barefoot. then they get to do wtf they want with your tax dollars.

if a woman runs for office limbaugh and fox news talk about a republican lackey who called her a bitch. if a black man runs they remind us his name sounds arabic. if a war vet runs for office they spend 28 million bucks on ads saying he didn't serve his country all that well in nam. if a democrat gets elected they make up a story that his wife killed someone. if the prez gets a bj from a groupie they talk about that. if she was a guy in a public park restroom the republicans wouldda never brought it up. after they found out nobody except your grandma was upset they changed to "omg he LIED isn't that terrible."

it's crazy the republicans have convinced so many lower middle and lower class people he is their pal. is it because he's a token christian? do they believe his "the economy itsaa ummm ahhh it doin good" crap?

the country is f'ed up... hey, pass me that bottle of ripple i wanna feel good too.

couple of things ....

1) I def think this should be left here ... not in OT ... the whole reason I posted this is that there are issues BIGGER than these pointless elections ... and people need to wake the fuck up to them ..

2) I don't mind people disagreeing with my posts .... but if your not gonna take an hr or two of your time to watch the stuff I mentioned in the OP , than how can you come in this thread and bash me ???

Watch and make a decision .... it won't hurt ya .

engineer , you better beleive I'm voting .... Ron Paul baby !!!!

That article was just pointing out how futile it seems at times ....

It's sad the in 2008 ... we have all the techology we could ever ask for, but we still have trouble counting simple Primary votes ....

Which in turn, since its such an easy task to actually tabulate the correct votes for each candidate, makes me feel that an agenda is taking place .

Same way Ron was not asked to join Fox News's debate for Republicans .. they do not want his views out there ...

But , I'm def voting .... didnt mean to come across like that.

jeff , what do you want me to say ... I dont know or care where she is !!

Its insignificant to my posts ... oh ok Bush didnt rape that woman - I guess he's obv innocent in all the 9/11 shit .

My, what was I thinking ???

You need help man ....