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24,000 Online Poker Players Affected by Federal Funds Seizure

By Dan | Published Jun 09 2009, 09:31 PM

PocketFivers who have been wondering why online poker checks have been bouncing received word on Tuesday that the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York had authorized the seizure of over $30 million in funds allegedly used for “money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses,” according to an article released by the Associated Press. What happens next has not been determined. The Poker Players Alliance (PPA) noted that it is “working closely with legal counsel on this issue to determine the appropriate course of action and will keep members updated as events warrant.” The PPA added that players affected would be compensated fully by online poker sites.

Around June 4th (last Thursday), a representative of the Southern District of New York called for the seizure of $19 million in player funds in banks located in Scottsdale, Arizona and Los Angeles, California. The former was Alliance Bank of Arizona and the targeted account belonged to Allied Systems. However, the PPA questioned whether due process as prescribed by the United States Constitution was violated: “The prosecutor acted and the banks responded without a warrant being issued.” Also last week, the Southern District of New York requested the seizure of $14 million from a Wells Fargo bank in San Francisco. In total, over $30 million is currently in limbo.

Rich TheEngineer Muny (pictured at left), the PPA’s State Director from Kentucky, told PocketFives.com, “So many players assumed the Federal Government couldn’t do anything about internet gambling. Congress passed a bill to target the financial services end of it and this should be a wake up call.” Arlo Devlin-Brown, the Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, signed the letter sent to the bank in Arizona. According to the Associated Press, “In another letter faxed the same day, Devlin-Brown asks that the bank treat the funds ‘as legally seized’ by the FBI.” The New York Times claimed that checks issued by PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker are affected.

The PPA explained that the Wire Act of 1961 and Illegal Gambling Business Act were allegedly violated. Not trampled on was the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA), which was passed back in 2006. In a press release distributed by the PPA on Tuesday, the one million member strong organization commented, “The PPA is disappointed that this unprecedented action has been commenced against law abiding poker players… This money should be immediately released by the Southern District to ensure that player payouts are not further disrupted. To that end, the PPA is coordinating a legal strategy to appropriately protect members who are impacted.” The PPA also authored a letter to Devlin-Brown asking to become a part of the process in the future.

So what’s next? Anything from a lawsuit to an out of court settlement could be on the docket for the PPA and online poker players. Muny speculated, “I see this ending in a strong fight. The PPA has a solid record of winning state lawsuits. It's do or die on this one. If the sites lose, the settlement would be that they could no longer do business in the United States.” In a post on June 8th, PocketFiver MarlonMotors pasted a response received from PokerStars that read, “Following our previous communication, we regret to inform you that our check provider's bank account remains frozen, the funds are not accessible, and it's not known when the funds will be released. The provider's legal team and the Poker Players Association (PPA) are working on this matter.” PokerStars has repeatedly doled out a 10% bonus for the hassle.

The actions by the Southern District of New York have, to some, underscored the need for licensing and regulation of the internet gambling industry in the United States. Muny explained, “It shows that some people think the government will drift off. This should demonstrate that we have two choices: prohibition or licensing. In the U.S., there isn’t a history of unregulated gambling.” To that end, Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA, pictured at right) introduced the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act in May. The bill provides for a comprehensive regulatory framework for the internet gambling industry in the United States and has attracted 26 co-sponsors.

In addition, Frank introduced HR 2266, the Reasonable Prudence in Regulation Act. The bill halts the regulations of the UIGEA from going into effect until December 1st, 2010. As it currently stands, the financial services industry must come into full compliance with the UIGEA by December 1st of this year. HR 2266 has attracted 13 co-sponsors. Neither bill has been scheduled for mark-up in Committee.

The PPA wrapped up its press release by calling for regulation of the industry to avoid a situation like the one unfolding in New York that is eerily similar to the Neteller fiasco in 2007: “For more than three years, the PPA has advocated for a clear U.S. policy, established through licensing and regulating skill games like peer-to-peer Internet poker.  The PPA… will continue to pursue every legal course available to ensure that in this instance, poker players’ funds are not seized and their right to play online poker is protected.”

Catch Muny this week on the PocketFives.com Podcast sponsored by Carbon Poker. The show will be released on Thursday and is available on iTunes.


Comments
GrandChamp21 

GrandChamp21 said:

Land of the free my ass. Never though i'd be ashamed of being an american.

June 9, 2009 9:48 PM
gcw94 

gcw94 said:

Freedom is the greatest illusion going.Until you have actually been a part of the legal process you will never fully comprehend how little freedom we really have.

June 9, 2009 10:06 PM
noctus 

noctus said:

lol

"GrandChamp21 said:

Land of the free my ass. Never though i'd be ashamed of being an american."

As if this is the one thing you should be ashamed as an American about...

June 9, 2009 10:25 PM
JunnieBrown 

JunnieBrown said:

Sure doesnt affect me...Im not allowed to win anymore anyway

June 9, 2009 11:11 PM
elimherr 

elimherr said:

give me my god damn money mother fuckers....oh fuck bush

June 10, 2009 12:04 AM
RGC2005 

RGC2005 said:

US Attorney Arlo Devlin-Brown is a true blue american Democrat. I checked and he donates exclusively to Dem Presidential Candidates. So much for the kinder gentler more open Obama administration.

June 10, 2009 12:24 AM
jcpeace 

jcpeace said:

Lawyers guns and money

June 10, 2009 12:31 AM
ACheemz 

ACheemz said:

Im glad i live in the UK. I have a green card to emmigrate to America but may simply not go now lol

June 10, 2009 12:34 AM
ImLikeWhoaa 

ImLikeWhoaa said:

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE EUROPE IS YANKEY???

June 10, 2009 2:49 AM
Metasploit 

Metasploit said:

I LOVE CANADA

June 10, 2009 4:08 AM
richie menlo 

richie menlo said:

This can't be good. nice to here the money i have online is worthless.....

June 10, 2009 4:34 AM
Cabo 

Cabo said:

Don't worry Obama will appoint an online poker czar soon. Having a czar in place solves everything.  The Dems are on the biggest power grab and hold of all time.  Obama is pandering to all the groups that got him there and can keep the Dems in power indefinitely.  It's sickening.  I had high hopes for him but he is a political beast.  

June 10, 2009 6:37 AM
TMLMS13 

TMLMS13 said:

<3 living in Canada

June 10, 2009 7:31 AM
RollTideRoll 

RollTideRoll said:

I think this is total crap.  I work construction and there isn't much work because of the economy.  I play poker to support my family the best I can.  If I can't play poker online, then not only am I screwed, my kids are too.  

June 10, 2009 7:59 AM
nikotes 

nikotes said:

Get out of the mindset that this is a Bush or Obama thing. Behind closed doors both parties are the same. They use moral and ethical issues to keep us divided while they conspire in the background. F them all except Ron Paul!

June 10, 2009 8:01 AM
Saint83 

Saint83 said:

Cake Poker said they were not affected does anyone know if this is accurate?

June 10, 2009 8:09 AM
FortuneMeyers 

FortuneMeyers said:

Wow, This is not good. It might be a while before this gets fixed.

June 10, 2009 8:35 AM
SonnySausage 

SonnySausage said:

Has anyone attempted cashing out of full tilt since this has happened.  I just tried and it seems to still be processing, I have a bad feeling about this.

June 10, 2009 8:37 AM
Dan 

Dan said:

Here's the comment that Poker News Daily received from Cake Poker: Similarly, a source at the Cake Poker network says that, “It’s business as usual for us as we’re not exposed to any of the eCheck and bounced check problems that other rooms are having at the moment.”

www.pokernewsdaily.com/bounced-checks-and-echeck-cancellations-at-major-poker-rooms-2820

June 10, 2009 8:45 AM
freddy_smoot 

freddy_smoot said:

I cashed on tilt last week.  They sent me an email a few days later saying, the bank will not process this check, it is no good.  So the next day I got the check and tossed it. Tilt did ship me an extra 50 (yay), they aslo refunded my intial withdrawl.  

SonnySausage, let me know if yours goes through

June 10, 2009 8:46 AM
PlayerAce69 

PlayerAce69 said:

Well then, I was thinking of making a deposit but now i might just hold off untill the air clears..doubtfull<hopefull= Sux..............

June 10, 2009 8:50 AM
2Slick4u 

2Slick4u said:

The only government ever founded on the premise "Of the people, by the people, for the people" has betrayed its charter in favor of tyranny and anarchy....

June 10, 2009 9:00 AM
Stimey661 

Stimey661 said:

Anybody know what the status of UB is?  or other forms of withdrawals on UB such as Western Union or check by courier?

June 10, 2009 10:14 AM
Smitty1581 

Smitty1581 said:

I quit a very good job last month to become pro and I make most of my income playing online, now i just constantly feel so sick to my stomach because of this and wonder if i made the biggest mistake of my life...this is outrageous

June 10, 2009 10:30 AM
onasis16 

onasis16 said:

what a joke why cannot the us goverment regulate it like in europe instead of messing around with peoples money

and this is called freedom or land of the free give me a break i thouhgt bush is gone and things would change but i guess not i feel real sorry for all american poker players

June 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Bigroostah 

Bigroostah said:

Wow, I just woke up and checked this article out... Wasn't it determined in 2 courts that poker was a game of skill? I EARNED my money through hard work, countless hours of grinding. Isn't that the American dream? Work hard to earn your money so you can move up in society? Many people can't afford college, so are they excluded from pursuing their dream? But anyone who has the desire and drive can deposit $25 into online poker and, through hard work can turn it into thousands and finally change his or her life around. Honestly, this news sickens me and if this doesn't get resolved or if online poker gets banned, i am moving to canada. I will have officially lost all faith in our government... sry for the long rant, rly pissed me off

June 10, 2009 11:49 AM
SweetJamesJowns 

SweetJamesJowns said:

My last Stars e-check cashout has mysteriously "dissappeared" and I am nowhere near NY (Chicago).  B.S.

June 10, 2009 12:12 PM
peldini 

peldini said:

Funny that the poker sites are giving people extra money when their cashouts are reversed.  The free money is just as inaccessable as the real money

June 10, 2009 12:28 PM
bailey 

bailey said:

It is rumered there is $155 billion of unreported income in USA,-why doesn't the gov't and courts "look up : the tax cheaters -that they are already aware of ??

June 10, 2009 12:53 PM
saltydizzle 

saltydizzle said:

Doesnt the government have bigger things to worry about then Online Poker?  Legalize and tax it....just like alot of other things in this bullshit country we call "Free".......................................

June 10, 2009 2:30 PM
cakesandpies 

cakesandpies said:

i really really hope this doesnt mean 24k anal audits

June 10, 2009 3:19 PM
Udrawdead2 

Udrawdead2 said:

AMERICA HELL! FML!!!!

June 10, 2009 3:39 PM
tilterstom 

tilterstom said:

and this is the exact reason why Im gonna work in a golf proshop for like 12 bucks an hour to start instead of grinding out 10x as much online.  getting the hell out of america first chance I get.

June 10, 2009 7:40 PM
bigstrosfan 

bigstrosfan said:

only if you all were this pissed off when this shit got snuck in with the safe port act of 2006, then maybe enough of our voices would have made a difference

June 11, 2009 1:24 AM
CheckRazor25 

CheckRazor25 said:

Can we get an update by poker site on the deposit and withdrawal status?  

If anyone has attempted to withdrawal within the last week how has it progressed?

June 11, 2009 6:15 AM
cakesandpies 

cakesandpies said:

i had one of the checks from ft...for some reason i let it sit in my wallet for a few days. the day i was going to cash it i received the notice. i have requested another check and expect it will show up in a few days. I will have a tight back hole for a few days after i cash it. hope all is well.

June 11, 2009 9:46 AM
pcgrinder 

pcgrinder said:

usa gov just trying to build bankroll for the next bailout... rest easy knowing your stolen money is going to "save" banks and major automotive giants  (i also <3 Canada)

June 11, 2009 9:58 AM
52reasonstobe 

52reasonstobe said:

Will this have an impact on the Main Event entrants that won their seats online?

June 11, 2009 10:44 AM
blue2583 

blue2583 said:

There is a statement on cardplayer by full tilt saying all withdrawels are back to normal.

June 11, 2009 11:44 AM

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