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PocketFives Interview with "stevesbets" (Part 2)

By N 82 50 24 | Published Sep 18 2008, 01:42 PM

(continued from Part 1)


* This interview was conducted with Steve "stevesbets" Jacobs following his victory in the PokerStars WCOOP $25k Heads-Up event for $560,000 earlier this week.


By flow do you mean things like mindset and recent hand trends?


Yes, exactly.  For example, people often re-raise preflop one or two hands after you've re-raised preflop.  It's like a "get you back sort of thing" but they're actually just opening themselves up to get exploited when they do that.  It's a subtle form of tilt.  There are probably hundreds of factors like that that exist during the course of a heads up no limit hold em match and to beat good players, you need to be conscious of how the match has gone and where the other player's head is at.  It's really important to be aware of all of these factors as they all play into the flow of the match.  In fact, flow is like a "know the odds without knowing the odds" sort of situation because "analyzing the flow" is often akin to actually just innately adjusting ranges without going through the exact calculation in your head.  It's something that only comes with experience.

These sort of factors are one reason why railbirds make themselves look really bad really often. They often analyze only one hand history in sequence, but their responses are totally uninformed because the match flow is just as important as the actual hands in play.  So a play that looks bad could have been a good play within the proper context.


As you know, many high stakes regulars feel you're the worst high stakes player who has been around for a long time.  Yet, somehow, you have won a lot of money playing online poker.  How do you respond to those who say you're not good at poker?

Heh, this is going to be a long answer, but I'll try to get it out quickly.  The answer is that the people who say that about me are a small group (50-100 players) of arrogant and incredibly blessed online poker players.  All of them have run well-above expectation for extended periods of time which gives them a feeling of utter invincibility and overconfidence.  They seem to think anyone who is not a member of their cult is terrible.  And their cult consists of CardRunners pros, the 2+2 run-good heroes, etc.

What those players don't get is that there is a huge element of luck in poker and they've been on the upside of variance for years.  That isn't to say they haven't had downswings or moments of bad luck, but I believe that many of them have run way above expectation over the course of their poker careers.  For all of their supposed skill and poker understanding, they are really results-oriented.

For example, in my recent matches versus $tinger88 (Brian Hastings on FTP) and FoxwoodsFiend (DaEvils on FTP), they put their money in bad in almost every big hand and they both crushed me.  Then they go on forums and they talk about how much better they are than me.  And the online fanboys all think these guys are the best ever.  But where are these fanboys for Johnny Lodden, Brian Townsend or any other player who used to crush the highest stakes?  They've all disappeared because those players have hit runs of bad luck, as is normal for most poker players.  One day things will turn south for a lot of these players.


Are they bad poker players then?

No, obviously they're good poker players.  I'm not even saying they're not great at poker.  They have a better understanding of how to play poker than over 99% of the players online.  But they also have a skewed view of how much skill there is in poker.  Poker has a skill element, but in the short-term it's basically all luck, especially in the aggressive high stakes heads up matches that people play in on Full Tilt.  It's easy to win or lose hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of dollars regardless of skill.  I feel like I have an advantage against $tinger at Heads Up PLO and FoxwoodsFiend at NLHE.  But they have run way above expectation against me.


You recently started business school at Fordham.  How is that going to change your poker play over the next few years?

Nothing too drastic.  I have plenty of time to play online, so I think my play levels will be similar except I won't go to as many live events.  I'll still go to events like the World Series of Poker because they run during summer break, but I'll just be skipping the events that would require me to miss class.  I can still play live at the Borgata because it's pretty close-by.


Do you think this win will change anything in your poker career other than a nice bankroll boost?

This win could definitely change things because it gives me more notoriety on PokerStars.  I guess I've been known on there for years, but winning a WCOOP event for $560,000 is probably on a new level compared to what I've achieved on the site before.  I've been trying to get on Team PokerStars for years and I'm hoping this will give me the boost needed to get on.  If I do get on Team PokerStars, I would play heads up in PokerStars Sit and Goes during all of my free time.  Then everyone who wants to can take their shot at me.  :)


* Article image:  stevesbets playing in the final match of WCOOP 19 against ElkY


This is Part 2 of 2 of Nat "N 82 50 24" Arem's interview with Steve "stevesbets" Jacobs.  Part 1

Comments
xxbossmanxx 

xxbossmanxx said:

I'd love to have a shot at ya just to play a legend. I got a solid HU game too. Willing to play a micro? Micro for you would be $100 HU right? :)

Nice article

September 18, 2008 2:14 PM
I Spew Chips 

I Spew Chips said:

Next time at least have a decent question for a "Part 2" of 2 series.  It's almost like I have to go back and re-read part 1 to get back into reading part 2.

September 18, 2008 2:25 PM
Bong BrOke 

Bong BrOke said:

Good luck getting on team PokerStars while calling out all these people and being arrogant...

September 18, 2008 2:51 PM
N 82 50 24 

N 82 50 24 said:

I Spew Chips,

When I did the interview, I didn't know P5s was going to split it up into two parts.  It was meant to be read all at once.

-Nat

September 18, 2008 3:35 PM
VINNY VT 

VINNY VT said:

So are you going to take FWF challenge or not?

September 18, 2008 4:30 PM
bfactor 

bfactor said:

Bleh, part 1 was pretty good, but part 2 hand me frowning.  I can't believe he said "all" of these (50-100) top players that have been giving him crap are just running above expectation.  For their whole careers.  I mean give me a break.  Sure, a few of them might have put in low enough volume for this to be mathematically possible, but a LOT of them have put in wayyy too much for it to even be remotely mathematically possible for this to be true.  And stevesbets knows it too.  He knows the math.

If I were stevesbets, and people said I sucked, even though I destroyed the 5k heads up SNGs on stars harder than just about anyone else in the history of the existance of pokerstars, I would probably be pissed off at them too, but I mean, there's no reason to say things that don't even make any sense, just because they tilted you a little.  And that's essentially what he did.  Oh well.  He is still one of the most entertaining players on pokerstars to watch, and one of the best.  He just needs to learn how to say "stfu" when people try to get under his skin, rather than writing a nonsensical paragraph that makes him look weird.  Imo.

In any case, congrats steves.

September 18, 2008 4:46 PM
xxbossmanxx 

xxbossmanxx said:

I disagree B, people can run way above expectation for long periods of time. Variance doenst just flatten out on a linear scale for everybody, just most of us.

September 18, 2008 5:25 PM
3kingme3 

3kingme3 said:

Im gonna be honest here. Ive always been a fan of you steve but come off asd a huge dbag here. Basically what your saying is that pros who have played very very large amounts of hands have just been on huge heaters and that you run below expectation all the time. Essentially you are saying that when you win its because you are a long term winner, and when you lose its because of variance, then going off and saying that when other high stakes regs win its because of variance that will eventually smooth out? Also maybe if you stop cursing people out all the time in the chatbox it would help your quest to get on team pokerstars. forumserver.twoplustwo.com/.../how-i-rigged-full-tilt-stole-12k-stevesbets-234551

congrats on the win but please show some class

September 18, 2008 5:33 PM
Deuce2High 

Deuce2High said:

pure class

September 18, 2008 5:49 PM
Shad 

Shad said:

3Kingme3, thanks for that 2+2 link, that was awesome, LOL!

September 18, 2008 6:51 PM
jpapola 

jpapola said:

good interview, i like how nat asks some tough questions too.. definitely would much rather read an interview like this over one with canned questions and answers

September 18, 2008 9:41 PM
MangosPapa 

MangosPapa said:

Nice interview. Good questions,and honest answers. Congrats Steve.

September 18, 2008 10:34 PM
stevesbets 

stevesbets said:

I do not apologize for any of the answers I gave in this interview. What I said about internet forum heroes and the way the fanboys treat them is spot on and I won't back down from it. If you need any proof, you need look no further than when I played a hand vs CTS where i flopped middle set on a t84 flop in plo and he called down 2235 for a 3 to hit teh turn and 6 to hit the river. The rail exploded with things like "lol owned by CTS" etc etc. I then posted the hand on a popular forum with my name reversed with Coles, but the hand identical, to make it look like i had his hand and played it the way he did and vice versa. To a man everyone on the forum said, "LOL steve is just so awful" etc etc. Until the fanboys develop an ability to think for themselves I have zero respect for anything they say.

September 19, 2008 1:09 AM
Mrrain 

Mrrain said:

I used to play Steve HU on Stars and hated him...then met him in person and really respected him.  Congrats Steve, nice job!  Good luck in the future.

September 19, 2008 4:16 AM
dealtaces2000 

dealtaces2000 said:

you no play and not very goodly, also, someitmes omahas large pots which can very much swing money accuont. thnk for this, very gracious.

September 19, 2008 9:51 AM
voo-doo 

voo-doo said:

TRASH TALK OR SMACK IN COMPETITION

Smack

I might be wrong, but I will go out on a limb and say that out of all the methods of expressing one's self in the spirit of competition or just plain verbal jousting, "smack" is spoken best. Why? Because it's short, sweet and coming from the right person and done at the right time, timeless quotes are often produced.

Smack can be defined as clever, eloquent and spontaneous one liners, perfectly timed that adds fuel to competition Ali was the greatest at this but always with wit and a wink of the eye.

Trash talk

Imagine a rapper without a brain. Without wit, all you have left is rhythm and "spews." The typical fully automatic trash talk discharge usually is interlaced with some ramblings about your athletic skills being not much better than your (or their) mother's. I am going to venture to guess Trash Talk all started in pro wrestling, and metastasized from there. A loud voice and very little brain function are the only prerequisite,  This might explain why there is so much more of it[Steve :} ] while so little true smack is spoken in our world today. Sitting next or playing one of these idiots at any sports contest is excruciating.

stevebets quotes come under trash talk not smack.wHAT A WITLESS CHAMPION YOU ARE.

September 19, 2008 12:02 PM

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