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Barack Obama: My Choice in 2008

By adanthar | Published Oct 30 2008, 03:53 PM

As we all know, the UIGEA has significantly undermined the spread of online poker throughout the United States and made it somewhat harder to play online, especially for casual players. While it has not actually criminalized poker, even those of us who understand the bill must contend with our friends that think it is illegal to play, banks that have occasionally closed accounts merely for receiving withdrawals, and lengthy delays on those withdrawals because the poker rooms have to use the same check processors used by sportsbooks, casinos and others that do violate the law. In fact, it's quite possible things will get worse soon; although UIGEA regulations have yet to be issued, a proposal is very likely to be issued in January, after the new President is sworn in. Therefore, those of us that play poker for a living should strongly consider the candidates' likely reactions to a UIGEA repeal when we go to the voting booth or fill out absentee ballots.

While your Congressional representatives will be the ones debating on and passing or rejecting such a repeal, I believe that our chances of passing one in the next several Congressional sessions are extremely good. For example, we recently lost a House committee vote for a repeal on a largely party line, Democrats for/GOP against 32-32 tie vote.  On Tuesday, the Democrats are set to pick up at least 20 and possibly as many as 35 seats in the next Congress, and it is almost a given that, when this bill is reintroduced in the next session, it will pass the committee and head to the floor. Once the bill officially does have enough support to clear that committee and its equivalent in the Senate, our numerous Congressional allies (more on that shortly) are set to attach the bill to any of a number of other bills in both sessions, and while nothing in Congress is certain, I am very optimistic that a repeal will make it to the President's desk in the next two years in much the same way that UIGEA did. At that point, what happens to it is extremely dependent on the person sitting in the Oval Office.

If that person is John McCain, the bill will almost certainly be vetoed. For the last 12 years, McCain has been an ally of, and reportedly a close friend to, Jon Kyl, Arizona's other Senator, who has repeatedly written and sponsored anti-gambling legislation including UIGEA. During McCain's 2000 primary run, he proposed a ban on casino betting - not even online betting - on college sports. His vice president, Sarah Palin, is a social conservative who is on record as saying "I am opposed to any expansion of gambling in Alaska... in so many cases, gambling has shown ill effects on families and as Governor I would not propose expansion legislation." The two combined are extremely anti-gambling and are guaranteed to oppose a repeal.

Moreover, as of Thursday afternoon when this is being written, it is impossible to imagine a situation in which McCain wins by a significant margin. If he does prevail, it will be a very close, very narrow call and he will certainly face a hostile, extremely Democratic Congress that is embittered and set against him, while being beholden to social conservatives like Focus on the Family for his election. The four years of McCain/Palin vs. the Congressional Democrats are all but certain to be one of the most partisan and hostile administrations we've ever had. Even major bills, like the overall budget or military spending, are likely to be fought over hard and McCain, a weak President relying on social conservatives for the limited power he does have, will be looking for reasons to veto anything that is opposed by his base. In that climate, it is impossible to imagine that McCain signs a bill with a UIGEA repeal or even a study attached.

By contrast, if Barack Obama is the winner, he will take office with a mandate not seen in the last 70 years. With the Dems' firm control on both chambers of Congress, Obama is virtually certain never to veto *any* bill that makes it to his desk for at least two years to come. If he does not exert his large influence to oppose a repeal, chances are we will get one - and Obama and his Democratic allies are not hostile to online gaming.

Unlike McCain, a high stakes craps player, Obama has spent a decade playing poker, often playing after hours in the Illinois state senate, and he is on the record as supporting a study to determine the feasibility of regulating online gambling. One of his earliest supporters, and the chairman of his campaign in Florida, is Congressman Robert Wexler, who is rated A+ by the PPA, has written the "poker/skill game exemption from UIGEA" bill, and has actively cosponsored all of the pro-poker legislation in the last two years. Shelley Berkley and Barney Frank, the writers of the other two PPA endorsed bills, are also strong Obama supporters and will enjoy increased influence in his administration. Moreover, his vice president, Joe Biden, voted against Bob Goodlatte's proposal to make online gambling a felony - a bill that made it through the Senate when being against poker had no political consequences on a 90-10 vote. Obama is surrounded by people that understand Internet gaming, are friendly to regulating it responsibly instead of knee-jerking to ban it based on socially conservative views, and are already working with us to support our right to play online. When our representatives act to repeal UIGEA, I fully expect Obama to quietly support the repeal and eventually to sign it into law.

I don't pretend to ignore that there are a million other reasons to be for or against either candidate. Most of you are not one-issue poker voters; in fact, I'd probably rather nobody was, since I'll be the first to admit that the legality of poker is a minor issue compared to a lot of other things the next President will have to deal with in the next four years. But if you spend more than a few hours a week playing online, whether as a job or as a hobby, you should at least consider what either Obama or McCain would mean for the future of online poker - and on that metric, there is one clear winner.

I stand with Doyle Brunson, who was entirely correct when he said "Poker players have to support Obama. God help the internet gambling business if McCain does happen to win." When I go to the polls on Tuesday, I will cast a vote for poker when I pull the lever for Barack Obama.


adanthar


* This article expresses the opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the views of PocketFives.


Also see: Computer Security for Online Poker Players9/19/2008 (by adanthar) 

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Serge Ravitch is a highly respected member of the online poker community who played a key role in uncovering the AbsolutePoker and UltimateBet cheating scandals. "Adanthar" has performed a large amount of pro-bono work as a representative of online poker players across the globe and continues to dedicate time to increasing internet security awareness. It is because of people like him that community-driven poker sites like TwoPlusTwo and PocketFives have flourished.

He is also a very successful cash game player who routinely beats $5/$10 No Limit Holdem and $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha games. He has a win in the PokerStars Sunday Million for $112,000. His other online tournament scores include a 3rd place finish in the Full Tilt $750k Guaranteed for $56,350 and multiple Bodog $100k victories.


Comments
holdplz 

holdplz said:

OBAMA '08 HOLLA

October 30, 2008 11:43 PM
Jennifear 

Jennifear said:

Great article Adanthar!

I am 100% with you here.

October 30, 2008 11:50 PM
Causeus 

Causeus said:

Very interesting take on your support for Obama and as a single issue it makes sense that Obama is probably a better choice on this single issue compared to a more traditional minded McCain (though I personally believe McCain is more of centrist then proclaimed by the media or to Bush).  I would like to point out that living in Illinois, as my Senator, in the ever increasing tax & spend free-for-all of Illinois, playing poker on-line is considered by lawmakers to be a felony.  You can argue that no individual in this great state has yet to be prosecuted for it but the fact remains.  I wrote my Senator, Obama, expressing my concerns over these laws (on a state level) as well as the then upcoming UGMA federal legislation & received a nice letter in return.  While he understood my thoughts (& would keep them in mind) he clearly thought all on-line gambling (Poker too) was regressive in nature & would inflict more pain on the already poor/young/elderly then any possible benefits.  He mentioned past studies & was supportive of future ones but in the end saw no acceptable way of monitoring who was actually doing the playing.  He also questioned the actual 'ethics' of this sort of activity & claimed these people would be a better influence on society in more traditional activities.  I personally see the internet as a free fire zone offering all us opportunities to gather any information we feel relevant to our lives.  Watching the Australian government attempt to 'sensor' the "new" internet is frightening & that I fear is headed (or already in the States) to our great country.  Once it starts, it's a giant snowball that can't stop from rolling until it destroys a town or two.  I personally believe the poker issue dies going forward (the tricks & loops to play remain the status quo) & what we will be left with are more infringements/restrictions in other areas of our lives.  This is clearly what I fear most about Obama in that I see him doing to other freedoms what your hated republican constituents did to poker.  While on-line rights for poker might be in my top ten of voting issues it certainly won't make up for the other 9 things I fear he's on the wrong side of.  Actions speak louder than words & Obama's actions as they relate to on-line poker to this date are clear, he's against them.

Thank you for taking the time to write your 'blog' & best of luck in everything you do in life.

October 30, 2008 11:51 PM
sprstoner 

sprstoner said:

hang on, what are we getting for the 1st time in 70 years?

i must had misunderstood, i thought you said dems in control of both houses and president, which also happens during clinton.

i truly hate one party having so much power, gridlock is so much better.

also if mccain become pres, why cant the dems attack the repeal to something the pres will need to sign.

the pres doesnt matter imo.

is there any proof that barak will vote for poker? a lot of dems are against legalization for one reason or another. i know hilary was publicly against it, maybe good thing she lost.

just because you expect obama to be in favor of poker doesnt make it true, how did he vote (i havent looked)?

he has voted for some interesting things, that you wouldnt think he has supported by listening to him talk. he is a good ole boy too.

i personally decided not to vote as we dont have a real choice and my vote doesnt count anyways, the system is broken bad.

October 31, 2008 12:12 AM
sportsfntc 

sportsfntc said:

As much as Obama MAY be poker-friendly, I cannot look past his views on taxes (as in raising them is an incredibly stupid idea), right-to-life, defending this nation against terrorists, and other important issues.

Plus, Bill Frist is nowhere to be found.  I'm not a huge fan of McCain but he's clearly a better choice overall.

Now, onto repealing the UIGEA.  The Dems control congress, so they should do what the RINOs (Republicans in name only) did two years ago.  They should attach the repeal to a bill neither McCain nor Obama can veto (like the Safe Port Act) and THEN we can get this nonsense to go away.

October 31, 2008 12:39 AM
LVpokerdealer 

LVpokerdealer said:

Obama has said before that gambling hurts the lower class. And el oh el at basing your decision for a candidate due to online poker. That said, I keep up with you on 2+2 a lot, and highly respect your articles.

October 31, 2008 1:22 AM
werd2u 

werd2u said:

I play poker fulltime and will be voting for McCain.  Obama is going to tax my winnings to death.

October 31, 2008 1:25 AM
LVpokerdealer 

LVpokerdealer said:

Also, Adanthar...Doyle posted this on his blog on Oct. 13th...

" I still haven’t made up my mind who to vote for but I’m tempted to vote for McCain. "

October 31, 2008 2:03 AM
norcaljeff 

norcaljeff said:

he supports "a study to determine the feasibility of regulating online gambling"? and on the record no less! lol.

October 31, 2008 7:45 AM
K1d_Gr1nD 

K1d_Gr1nD said:

an additonal 3% on the amount OVER 250k... (not the entire amount) will be taxed at a 39% rate instead of the current 35%.  I am willing to pay an additional 3k on every 100k OVER 250k if it means getting this type of adminstration out of office....and if McCain gets elected things will VERY similar to the way the Bush runs the country.  

October 31, 2008 7:49 AM
El Burro 

El Burro said:

McCain has been quoted as saying that he doesn't really care one way or the other about online gambling; in terms of importance, it doesn't even seem to be on his radar.  The specific quote I remember was "that was Kyl's deal".

If you want the government to tell you how to raise your children, vote Obama.  If you want a president that thinks Americans are incompetent, helpless and incapable of providing for themselves, vote Obama.  If you want a president who doesn't think you should have access to the tools necessary to protect yourself and your family in your own home, vote Obama.

Obama is an outspoken proponent of hijacking personal liberty and forcing dependence on government.  I can't imagine how anyone would vote for him.

October 31, 2008 7:50 AM
brsavage 

brsavage said:

"For example, we recently lost a House committee vote for a repeal on a largely party line, Democrats for/GOP against 32-32 tie vote."

Soooo, it was a dead tie and yet it was largely on party line?

Anyhow, not my point, I respect Andanthar as he has worked hard to protect the integrity of online poker.

That aside, I personally think it completely irresponsible to vote for a candidate based solely on what it means for online poker as our country is facing much more important issues.

Pocket Fives is comprised of poker players, not all of them Democrats, many of them conservative business men who feel Obama as a President is going to further hurt business and by proxy families in America.

This response thread is certainly not the place for a debate, but it would seem more fitting to have a pocket fives owner make their own recommendation as a company as opposed to starting to allow one sided articles that are completely biased.

You try to make the flawed argument that Democrats are so protective of our rights, yet the PPA's head lobbyist is former Republican Alphonse D'AMato.

Many of us have serious concerns that other rights will be infringed under an Obama presidency.

The work of the PPA and D'Amato is responsible for the Republican Party removing anti internet gambling language from their platform in August.

Overall I just think that this article would be better served as a personal opinion thread in OT as opposed to what it is, an article that appears to be an endorsement from Pocket Fives.

October 31, 2008 8:08 AM
dTm328 

dTm328 said:

So lets pick the president because he may favor online poker?   Sounds solid to me.  Hope all your dreams come true with obama.    geeez

October 31, 2008 8:17 AM
tacoman98 

tacoman98 said:

There is no reason to believe that McCain would be against the repeal. He has on his staff many proponents of online gaming. He simply has not made any statements for or against. The fact that he's a Republican makes zero difference. He has a track record of reaching accross the isle and working with the Dems to reach agreable solutions, so much so that many Republicans have considered him a trator. I'll take a devided government every time. Too much power given to one side is dangerous.

October 31, 2008 8:24 AM
WHATL3Y 

WHATL3Y said:

bob bar '08!

October 31, 2008 8:30 AM
breathe-ez 

breathe-ez said:

There are so many issues more important than online gaming.  I love internet poker, but ultimately this will not factor into my decision making.   A nation governed by Barack Obama scares me to death and I am from Illinois.    His attempts to appear "centrist" during this campaign are so far from the truth.  There will be the most massive shift of wealth in the history of this country if he is elected.   Americans are already the most charitable people in the world,   but we don't need the government confiscating the  money of people who have worked and sacrificed to earn it and giving it to those who have not.    Also, his callous disregard for the life of the unborn is horrifying.  

October 31, 2008 8:39 AM
EddieO 

EddieO said:

"the fact he is a republican makes zero difference"...lol really taco?  Obama is such a clear choice to lead this country on many levels that reach beyond poker.  I hate paying taxes but if you think McCain/Palin is what this country needs for a dramatic change in the right direction then I feel for you as you have fallen victim to McCain somehow adopting a platform standing for change....as if....

My read on McCain is that he has attempted every trick in the book to put fear into the voters.  Instead of proving why he should be president he has sought to prove why Obama should not - mostly using fear associated with Obama being a terrorist and a marxist - and as a result I have lost all respect for his ancient ass.  

Politics get everyone going crazy so this reaction prob should have been expected 4 days before the election p5s, nice article though thanks for your thoughts.

October 31, 2008 9:16 AM
akusokuzan 

akusokuzan said:

Doesn't matter who will win the election, it will depend on the constituents in congress and the senate to push forward legislation to legalize online gambling.  Depending on what party takes control of the houses will determine what legislation will be passed or even considered. There are thousands of bills that never even see the floor of either houses.

I for one am a libertarian and would love to vote for someone like Dr. Ron Paul or Bob. Barr however I know my vote would not count in todays elections.

Looking at both fiscal policies and the past policies of the last 6 presidents, whenever a democrat was in office, the deficit was reduced and even spending was reduced contrary to what most people think of the spend and tax democrats. This goes all the way back to Johnson. www.cedarcomm.com/.../usdebt.htm

Taking in consideration of both individuals, McCain will be added close 5 trillion more debt to our country while Obama will be adding close to 3 trillion. This is no question a scary thought but if I had to choose a candidate that will ensure our economy will be in a better shape, I am choosing Obama.

PS - This is coming from a person who works in the defense/energy industry where McCain and the republicans will continue our successful progress in nuclear and self reliant energy.

October 31, 2008 9:28 AM
rebelfd 

rebelfd said:

adanthar,

If this is your read on Obama, you're about to get stacked.  He promised to only take matching funds, in writing.  Did he hold to his word?  No.  He will do whatever is politically expedient to maintain power if he is elected.  Believe me the Democrats if they are in control of both houses would be stupid to pass an online gambling bill in the first six month.  You'll see a lot of work on the economy and how best to destroy it, raising your taxes, and tucking tail and running in Iraq.  Meaningful legislation that protects you and me as online poker players, it ain't going happen.  If I were you I'd fold, and wait for a better hand.  Vote McCain.

Rebelfd

October 31, 2008 9:33 AM
adanthar 

adanthar said:

To address some arguments,

"i must had misunderstood, i thought you said dems in control of both houses and president, which also happens during clinton."

Yes, but this year, the Democrats will have a larger majority, both in numbers and in momentum (particularly in the Senate), than in Clinton's 1992-94 Congress. To find a time when the country was this set on one party, you would have to go back to 1933.

You try to make the flawed argument that Democrats are so protective of our rights, yet the PPA's head lobbyist is former Republican Alphonse D'AMato.

"Many of us have serious concerns that other rights will be infringed under an Obama presidency.

The work of the PPA and D'Amato is responsible for the Republican Party removing anti internet gambling language from their platform in August."

I respect Al D'Amato going back to when he was my state's Senator and wish him nothing but the best of luck in his lobbying effort whether McCain or Obama is elected. That said, the GOP promptly reinserted that plank into their platform; the removal lasted all of 3 hours. With many of the Republican moderates of the 1980's and '90's no longer in office, and the balance of power of the party swinging right, hoping for the GOP to ignore online poker and let the bill pass untouched is unrealistic.

With that said, as I mentioned in the article, I'm not a one issue voter and agree that voting solely on poker is wrong. There are a lot of more important things than that to consider. But poker is my job, and when I vote, I do have to think about how my vote affects my livelihood - in my case, perhaps very directly. I cannot promise or guarantee myself that an Obama administration will reverse UIGEA, but I'm confident he will not work against that effort, while I *am* certain that a McCain administration will definitely do its best to block it. That is far more important to me directly than whether, if I happen to make over $250K next year (which is partly dependent on UIGEA regs, mind you), the extra money is taxed at an additional 3.3%.

October 31, 2008 11:19 AM
ImoOnTilt 

ImoOnTilt said:

Sounds like a lot of republicans here.  Can you imagine if McCain died and Palin became president??  Canada here I come!!

October 31, 2008 12:37 PM
werd2u 

werd2u said:

btw the increase in taxes for those making more than 250k is now 150k

October 31, 2008 2:17 PM
D2theRock 

D2theRock said:

so ridiculous that your justification for voting for a president is based on poker. yeah i hear you think its wrong to vote on one issue but it doesnt show. truly sad

with all the issues we face today in america: the economy, the war, hostile Russia, the oil crisis, social security, unemployment, corruption in our gov't how can poker even be mentioned. yes its your job i understand but you ll survive guarenteed. if you said you supported obama for other reasons i wouldnt really care that is your preogative but to use poker. . . his tax ideas totally take away from American principles.

young people get with it. you dream of makin big bux? get rid of that idea if obama wins cuz hes gonna crush your american dream and give it to people with no ambition. give aways are what destroy our nation

your thoughts though adanthar are respected

October 31, 2008 3:21 PM
2Slick4u 

2Slick4u said:

The 32-32 tie vote which got that bill rejected was decided by one vote ~ that vote was cast AGAINST the bill by Democrat

David Scott. Forget this garbage that a Democratic pres and

Democratic-dominated House and Senate would get the UIGEA repealed. It ain't going to happen. The UIGEA wasn't just a Republican effort. It was bipartisan. You do understand that don't you Democrat poker players??

Oh and anybody who votes for Obama needs to schedule themselves for a brain scan immediately after voting because you got some major cranial issues....

Barr 08! The only choice that makes sense in this election.

October 31, 2008 5:24 PM
duclover 

duclover said:

The lesser of 2 evils. McCain.  Obama has never managed a single thing. Now we want him to manage our country????? While he listens to his "Advisors". AKA Bill Ayers, Reverend White, and a couple of other shady characters (including corruption ties to Tony Rezko)  WAKE UP AMERICA.. OBAMA IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN!!!

October 31, 2008 6:13 PM
rbsands 

rbsands said:

As I started to really pay attention to the election this year I found myself agreeing with a lot of things Obama had to say.  Unfortunetly as I studied a little more about Obama I also found out the he had STRONG TIES TO MUSLIMS.  His Father is a Muslim and he was raised to know the Muslim religion.  Now I'm not about to say that all muslims are bad, but can everyone take a moment and remember why we are at war?  Take a second to google the muslim beliefs if you are not fimiliar with them, we are a Christian Country and no not everyone here practices that religion but our constitution is based off of these values.  Do you want to become a "Muslim Country"?  Muslim countries kill everyone that doesn't believe the way they do.  This may sound a little extreme, but I sure don't want to start heading down that road.

October 31, 2008 6:38 PM
P0KERDUUDE 

P0KERDUUDE said:

Great article adanthar, I'm surprised by how many long thought out responses it got.  Glad to see people getting educated about politics this year as it is an important time to become involved.  I hope we can come together as a country and remember the values and beliefs America was built on.

November 1, 2008 1:37 AM
akusokuzan 

akusokuzan said:

rbsands:

No offense but your ideas of Obama are very scary. Obama was raised by a white Christian mother and her grandparents. His father left him when he was two years old and only saw again once more before his death in 1980s.

He was called Barry by his colleagues and attended a catholic school when younger and the same church for the past 20 years in Chicago.

On the contrary McCain just recently switched his long time church for a more acceptable church in the south, going from an Episcopalian to Baptist.

But this is neither here or there and should not matter in the determination of the next president. It should be the person's intellect, decision making and composure that should determine who should be the next president.

Food for thought:

John McCain - US Naval Academy class rank (894 of 899)

Sarah Palin - Hawaii Pacific College - 1 semester

                    North Idaho community college - 2 semesters

                    University of Idaho  - two semesters

                    Matanuska-Susitna community college - 1 term

                    University of Idaho - three semesters BS in communications

Barack Obama - Occidental College - two years

                         Columbia University - two years - BA PolySci and international relations.

                         Harvard University - JD magna cum laude

Joe Biden - University of Delaware BA in history and political science

                  Syracuse University - JD

November 1, 2008 9:31 AM
Bertrand13 

Bertrand13 said:

canada ftw

November 1, 2008 10:38 AM
paidchex 

paidchex said:

WoW, how will we all survive if the republicans remain in the white house for another 4 years.  McCain has said he voted with Bush 90% of the time.  Look what we have gone through in the last 8 years, 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, Financial Crises, Housing Crises..... yes some where unavoidable but what about the responses to 9/11 and Katrina..... this has been some of the worst presidenting ever.  Furthermore, studies have shown that it is more likely that McCain would not even be able to complete on term as president because his health is so shaky.  So how comfortable are you with Palin as President?  So if Doyle, who is as far as I know VERY republican, is voting for Obama and is fearful of McCain.... that would be enough for me.  But I am also Black and that is enough for me.  But I am also educated on their indiviual platforms and that is the only reason I support Obama.  But I am going to be loving that a brother is in office.

November 1, 2008 1:38 PM
paidchex 

paidchex said:

BTW this whole "hating Obama's tax hike on the RICH" is insane crazy.  The entire nation is in a financial tiolet, if you make over $250K a year and are against paying a few more K in taxes so that lower, middle and upper/middle class can afford to put gas in their car, food in their homes, and their children into college you my friend are anti-american.  Let McCain win and I'll kill someone, no joke remember that.  We went 10 years without increasing minumum wage how have the poor survived through that? Crime you dumb rich f#*@s.  Think about what your greed results in.

November 1, 2008 1:51 PM
rbsands 

rbsands said:

"Question: Was Barack Obama ever a Muslim? He says no, but the Associated Press found records that showed Obama was in school as a Muslim living in Indonesia and the Obama campaign can't explain why. Maybe it doesn't matter if Obama were a Muslim back then, but it does matter if he's not telling the truth about it now."

--www.exposeobama.com, June 2008.

November 1, 2008 4:33 PM
akusokuzan 

akusokuzan said:

rbsands:

Please look at your source. You highlight a website called exposeobama.com lol

Please link the associated press article.

Second he left Indonesia to return to his maternal grandparents house in Hawaii when he was in the 5th grade till his graduation.

Its scary how ill informed you are.

November 1, 2008 7:44 PM
akusokuzan 

akusokuzan said:

Rbsands:

You quoted a website that was listed as www.exposeobama.com please list the Associated Press article.

Obama was born in Hawaii, moved to Indonesia for a few years before moving back with his MATERNAL grandparents who are white and christian.

It is scary how little you are informed and scared of something that is not relevant.

Even if he is a muslim that so happens goes to a christian church for the past 20 years. You think the muslim countries will hate us more because he is a muslim or a christian. They hate us because we are occupying their land, with our embassies and corporations including my own company that includes the Iraqi reconstruction I personally worked on for 1 year.

November 1, 2008 7:55 PM
rbsands 

rbsands said:

The point is not that he practices the muslim religion, because I do not believe that he does.  What is a FACT is that he is born and was raised for a period of time as a muslim, I do not think that this makes him a bad person or even a bad politician.  I just cannot believe that making him our president when he obviously has muslim sympathies is a good idea.  Like someone else pointed outed this is no different then if we were to elect a japanize american during WWII, would that been a good idea?  

November 2, 2008 9:17 AM
dbslim 

dbslim said:

Good article Adanthar.  Obama all the way!  Did you enjoy the last 8 years?  Pocket Fivers have a lot of international players, what do you think of the US and our current administration?  Pobably not much, much of the same with McCain and you don't even want to think about the direction of our country wth Palin as president that is an absolute joke!  

November 3, 2008 10:18 PM
above_films 

above_films said:

thank you, president obama for cutting my taxes! 4 more years! woo-hooo!

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10. brainwash 10 16
Carbon Poker Sorting Tables
Rank PLB
 1. djk123 9022.06
 2. Jovial Gent 8103.48
 3. gboro780 8046.07
 4. rock3656 7746.87
 5. govshark2 7645.73
 6. brainwash 7528.39
 7. ImaLuckSac 7369.79
 8. 1SickDisease 7316.68
 9. HITTHEPANDA 7271.41
 10. hoodini10 7171.58
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