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Hitler is in heaven? What on earth would make you think that?

so if you don't have a trusting relationship with him you will burn in hell for eternity?  sounds nice.

and you diden't ansewer my question,  why the fuck would god give satan a realm to tourture souls?

bfactor, i can't wait to you become aware of the fact that there is more to life than a sperm fertilizing an egg, a baby being born, living and then it dying.

i am not sayin there is heaven and hell, or a religious god, but there is more than meets the eye so to speak. 

link?

maybe he said i'm sorry right before he died.

Hitler was a Christian, believed jebus died on the cross for his sins, sounds like he is going to heaven to me or am I missing something?

btw, ecugirl,

Just outta like... curiosity and stuff...

What do you think about people who were born with SEVERE brain abnormalities that made it quite literally IMPOSSIBLE for them to not act evil.  As in, people who's frontal lobe in their brain was severely deformed, since birth, as well as other parts of their brain, which caused them to:

1.  Have only one emotion:  extreme anger

2.  Have no self control whatsoever over their physical actions, at all whatsoever, thus:

3.  They just run around fighting and murdering and being "evil" all the time, without ANY choice about it, due to their SEVERE physical mental deformity that caused this (not "choice" or "free will")

Is this supposed to be "God's" ummmm... I dunno... "interesting" sense of humor?  Or?

Lol.... sorry but seriously I mean..... you see where I'm going with this right?

Sigh.... I shouldn't have ever brought this up, because now it'll probably spark a whole separate debate, and I don't really have time for it, cuz one of my friends (who is religious btw ZOMGZ!!!! lolz) is coming over today, so I can't just sit all day arguing about this stuff lol, but I just thought maybe you'd have fun thinking about this one particular topic maybe, so I brought it up for you to think about.... 

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Apologetics/WhyGodcreatedthoseheknewwouldgotohell.htm

I don't know all the answers, for sure. I think this article does a nice job of explaining. Read it if you want.

what i got out of that article was that if you go to hell,  you asked for it.  my question still stands that why would god give satan a realm to tourture souls?

p.s.,  i was an alter boy and went to catholic school when i was a kid,  i would ask question like this and when they diden't have a response, they would punish me. priests could not give an answer so i dought anyone else could.

Lol, sol160,

It's true actually, I did in fact wager that I will state in my will that all my assets and possessions go to him if I every throughout the course of my life change my mind, and believe in the whole god/religion/heave/hell/etc crap.

Imo it wasn't much of a gamble since I'm like 99.999999999999% sure I won't ever change my mind

and since 99.999999999999% is waaaaaayyyy less probable than me becoming a victim of identity theft, with the same ultimate outcome, then in theory I'm ALREADY taking a bigger gamble, just by merely EXISTING (cuz of identity thieves lolz) than I am with taking this wager imo. 

Well, ok, I'll give this a shot. First of all, it's not about being "good" or being "evil". Like I said, it's about a relationship. Based on the teachings of Christianity (sorry, have to throw that in there, or someone will think I'm saying that this is indisputable blah blah blah), not one person on earth is "good enough". So, the person's evilness wouldn't necessarily preclude them from being admitted to heaven, since it's not about works, it's about relationship.

The second thing I'll say about it is that I don't think someone with a brain issue they can't help would go to Hell. If you have an IQ of a carrot, then you can't be held responsible for what you do or believe, right? It's my belief that he is just and wouldn't allow someone to suffer needlessly for something they couldn't help.

ecugirl, google "hitler heaven" and do a little reading, it is clear that Hitler is of your ilk and is definitely in heaven. So you'll have good company and plenty of time for "good" conversation with "good" people.

If I wanted to, I could write a nearly novel-length post about the concept of "where do we draw the line" on the topic I brought up, but it would just make me degen this thread for like 2394823904892384 hours straight, and ultimately it would end up with me and PrestonLuv arguing about why Seattle sports teams are ghey lolz or something weird.

So I'll just give this one a rest for now.  Maybe when I'm in a more fiesty mood I will bring up the "where do we draw the line" argument in reference to this topic that I brought up (and should probably not have brought up, in retrospect... well... at least not in this thread lol)

Ya.

Hitler killed himself, which is a mortal sin, and mortal sins are not something Catholics believe you want to die with on your soul.

Also, by saying definitively that Hitler would be in heaven and around "people of your ilk" as you so pompously put it assumes that you/we/someone could possibly even have a clue about how God judges anyone.  And if you don't believe in God in the first place, then you can't tell anyone shit about how God works.  Cuz ya really don't get the message if ya don't believe...know what I mean?

The flaw in ur example is that in the first example the ppl are told they will get tortured every day for decades from that point onwards whereas in the second example they know its gunna happen but its ages away so they dont care. Peoples level of caring about something is exponentially proportional to how close it is to them in time, therefore 50 years starting from NOW seems a lot worse than eternity but starting in 50 years time. In fact...if they actually think they are going to hell anyway then they will know that even after they get tortured for 50 years they are still gunna get tortured for eternity afterwards so...your 2 examples can basically be simplified down to a) you are going to get tortured for eternity starting from now (obv they would not be too happy about it like u said) and b) you are going to be tortured for eternity starting from 50 years time...which can explain why they dont care in the second example cos at least they have 50 years to do whatever. A more accurate example would be to change the second one to asking them if they think they are going to hell when they die but with a gun to their head - they would probably freak out a lot more i think.

Actually,

I think this was a pretty solid response stevie, to be honest.

If I was arguing against myself, alongside your point about the whole "exponentially more worried about it the sooner it's gonna happen" argument (which by the way my counter-rebuttal would have obv been to look at old people (they STILL aren't frekaing out running in circles crying about Hell), but even so, a solid argument regardless I still think... here would be some of my attacks on my own OP:

1.  I didn't take into consideration that the vast majority of people who believe in Hell don't actually believe they are going there.  This is a big flaw in my OP.  I should have stated in the OP that I was only referring to people who BOTH believed in hell AND believed they were going there when they died.

2.  Your topic about putting a gun to a person's head (although you forgot to put in the polygraph machine into that scenario, which would obv be necessary to make it interesting) imo is actually a more interesting topic/scenario than my own in the OP.

So I actually think you made the most solid post in this thread.

Ty for the input stevie444 (I'm not being sarcastic btw).