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60 years since a sitting president visited Madison, WI. Exciting!
He's speaking at a middle school regarding education reform. Regardless of your political preference, how can you not support more money for schools???
Bush's "no child left behind" was a joke, though. The idea is good, but the implementation is terrible. It punishes school districts with failing students and cuts their funding. Ridiculous. Those are the schools that need funding the most.
Anyway, I'm pretty close to where he's speaking, might catch a glimpse of the baller motorcade. Every beltline exit for 3 miles is basically shut down... seems a little overboard.
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Needs to be a clause for cutting teachers if the school is failing, because if a school fails they are the only ones to blame it on.
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 jetsjets1028: | |
fair enough...but didnt it cut funding from failing schools and give it to thriving ones
thats called INCENTIVE TO SUCCEED
a concept most people arent aware of these days
The problem with that is that teachers do not have a stranglehold on whether their students succeed or not.
I hear stories every so often from my fiancee and aunt (who are both teachers) about kids that they specifically target to help (outside of normal class time) that just flat out refuse to do their work and sit in class waiting for it to be over. Teachers do everything in their power to help kids but some just do not want to do their work and take ZEROES on a daily basis. Yet you think you should punish the teachers? Who are helping many other students?
Cutting funding specifically targets the amount of teachers available in a district. So it's a downward spiral of more students unwilling to work with less teachers to try to reach them. Again, the idea of the proposal was novel... the implementation is terrible.
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| Thatislife: | |
Needs to be a clause for cutting teachers if the school is failing, because if a school fails they are the only ones to blame it on.
that is wrong on so many levels buddy. read my last post.
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| Vypirious: | |
Again, the idea of the proposal was novel... the implementation is terrible.
This sentence can be affixed to to pretty much any government program as an accurate summary of events.
I hope you have the foresight to realize it will also be that way with Healthcare and even moreso because of the MASSIVE scope of that bill.
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WeyNot
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We need to allow more Charter Schools, give parents vouchers, and let them select the school that is best for their kids. Bulldoze empty schools.
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| jetsjets1028: | |
This sentence can be affixed to to pretty much any government program as an accurate summary of events. I hope you have the foresight to realize it will also be that way with Healthcare and even moreso because of the MASSIVE scope of that bill.
Health care isn't the problem. Lazy f*cking americans who eat too much and want salt, fat, and sugar as their three main ingredients are the problem.
Everything starts with education, even health. I'd like to see money poured into hydroponic research/development so that we could produce vastly more vegetables and fruits. I'd also like to see heavy fat/sugar/salt products be taxed into oblivion.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
edit: ^ that doesn't even begin to discuss the problems of people not exercising. I think it might actually be healthier to exercise vigourosly every day and eat crappy food than to eat good food and never exercise.
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| Vypirious: | |
that is wrong on so many levels buddy. read my last post.
If you put the worlds worse teachers at 1 school and the worlds best at another, what would happen? If kids aren't learning, then it is the teachers fault one way or another. No amount of money can make a horrible teacher good. It might make them try harder, but they are still a shitty teacher.
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| Vypirious: | |
Regardless of your political preference, how can you not support more money for schools???
Throwing money at a problem never solved it. I have an idea, lets abolish public schools and privatize them.
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| Vypirious: | |
So you'd rather just give up on them?
The problem is the parents have given up. I would much rather see education reform before we see health care reform. Something drastic needs to be done cause the current system just doesn't work.
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| Vypirious: | |
that is wrong on so many levels buddy. read my last post.
It would be nice to look at a proposed plan in detail looking at the pros and cons and seeing if it is a viable solution to the problem. Rather than blindly support something without any knowledge of what his or her plan was.
Almost everyone is for supporting education. Most people want enough knowledge to understand how much money it will take to implement a plan along with the likelihood of that plan succeeding is in order to feel comfortable giving their hard earned money away to support said idea. Very few people blindly open their wallet and say take whatever you want I trust you to solve it.
Congrats on being one of a few, sadly I don't think its your wallet that is open.
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| RichardHurtz: | |
I have an idea, lets abolish public schools and privatize them.
lol nice level.
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Sure it's cool the president is here. But it's kind of funny because it's being made into such a bigger issue that it really is. The school he's speaking at is in pretty nice neighborhood. The "no child left behind" act doesn't really apply here. Madison schools are some of the best in the country. Granted they made a great change and I'm happy for them, but the majority of these kids are not nearly as poor as most of the kids that were supposed to be covered by this act. I mean in some areas of Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago there are kids that are struggling much more. Just seems to me that they're trying to make it look like this act is a success when it reality it's a huge fail.
Why on earth when a school is spiraling down would you pull funding from it? It's impossible to get these kids to pass the standardize testing when they're hardly in school. I really think that they should be shedding more light on how this is making bad schools worse instead of mediocre schools better.
Oh and they made a bigger deal when Kerry came to town than they are for this. The shut down downtown Madison when Kerry came to town.
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why did this need its own thread??
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acp
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| Vypirious: | |
So you'd rather just give up on them?
This is why we have trade schools.
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