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sol160
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03-04-2007 9:08 PM
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benie, don't tell me what is funny, i'll decide for myself. and by the way, everything can be funny. here is what micheal richards said and it is funny.
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MKGB
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03-04-2007 10:01 PM
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It's ok sol, some people happen to enjoy shock value humour - we just happen to be intellectually inferior to Beanie
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beanie
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03-04-2007 10:03 PM
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I couldn't have said it better myself. We will just agree to agree. Homophobic and racist humor is out of line.
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Willywoo, you missed my point, or at least I think you did.
I don't really care what Ann Coulter says in her columns or her books, or when she gives a speech. This really isn't about her. It's about the people who invited her to speak at a Republican conference that featured presidential candidate Mitt Romney introducing her. Also at that CPAC conference were candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, and Sam Brownback. So this is who the Republicans invited to speak. They find her entertaining. She is a huge draw.
You Republicans can get all defensive as much as you want, but it was your conference that she was invited to speak at. I'm sorry, but it says something about Republicans that their leaders would choose Ann Coulter to speak at a conference. Obviously, they felt that Ann Coulter would be a good fit for that crowd. Until she stops getting invited to speak to Republicans, it's not unfair to say that her speech represents what a lot of Republicans really think.
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MKGB
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03-04-2007 10:57 PM
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Your last sentence is particularly troubling Underdog. So Ann Coulter being asked to speak at a Republican conference automatically means that "a lot" of Republicans hold her views? WTF? By that logic, most liberals that support Bill Clinton also believe that it is 100% ok to cheat on your wife and commit adultery w/ a trashy intern at work if you feel like it. Bc hey, he was even more high profile than Ann Coulter (she's not even a politician) and he was asked to speak at countless conferences considering he was voted in as the President of the United States. I guess "a lot" of liberals think adultery is rad, then - right?
I'm sure there are countless examples from both parties where someone specific was asked to speak at a conference and they said something assinine - but how in the hell does that mean that it represents what "a lot" of that party really thinks. Give me a break.. I'm sure someone can come up w/ a good example of an actor being asked to speak at some liberal conference and they said something ridiculous - but that means most liberals believe it too? Bc they were asked to speak there? Your logic is backwards there. I respect your opinions Underdog but this one is way out there.
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MKGB, there's a pretty big difference. Bill Clinton has said repeatedly while he was president and since that what he did was wrong. He apologized for it (a little too late for my taste) and no one thinks that what he did was right. In contrast, Ann Coulter doesn't think there's anything wrong with what she said and a lot of Republicans agree with her. Do you see how there's a difference there?
Also, it's not like this is exactly a surprise that Coulter would say something like this. This is, in fact, what she is known for. And the Republicans know that, and in my opinion, are counting on that, because while Democrats don't want the votes of hateful homophobes the Republicans are counting on them. So when Republicans know that Ann Coulter is known for saying hateful things like this, and they invite her to speak at their convention of Republicans featuring the Republican candidates for president, guess what? It reflects on them. If you don't see that, then I guess you're kind of the ideal Republican.
The next time Bill Clinton speaks at a Democratic Convention and encourages men to cheat on their wives, and a bunch of Democrats break out in cheers, then by all means, feel free to criticize Democrats for that. Seriously, I will be right there with you.
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MKGB
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03-04-2007 11:30 PM
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Here is an example for you Underdog. Howard Dean, who has no doubt been invited to speak at numerous Democrat conferences, was once quoted saying that he does not think the U.S. should have any bilateral trade agreements w/ any country that does not fully adopt American labor standards. That is one of maybe 5-10 outrageous things that he's said in public the last few years.
So I guess you're saying that "a lot" of liberals agree w/ him, bc they invited him to speak there? That's a pretty piss poor argument to say that just bc someone, anyone is chosen to speak at a conference that they represent the people. Not to mention, it is obviously much less representative when a political writer/entertainer says it, not even a politician voted into office by the people. I'm a little surprised that you tried to make the argument that bc Ann Coulter was invited by Republicans, she explicity speaks the majority's viewpoints. Wow
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im dutifully awaiting the next Republican meeting featuring Stephen Hawking, Danial Negreanu, and Andrew Dice Clay. Apparently speakers for large gatherings of like minded individuals are not there because they represent or expound upon some of the groups ideals.
Do you even think before you type that drivel MKGB?
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Whatever you say, man. Howard Dean's opinion about trade agreements is right there on par with hate speech. Did Howard Dean call anyone a "faggot" when arguing about trade agreements? And, guess what, a lot of liberals DO agree with Howard Dean about trade agreements! That's part of the reason he gets invited to speak to liberals. Last time I checked, having an opinion about the kinds of trade agreements the US should get involved in is the kind of reasonable debate that Democracy is all about. Whereas, labeling homosexuals as faggots is hateful and wrong. Are you trying to argue my side?
Okay, here's another example for you. Liberal Activist Harry Belafonte has said some pretty crazy things about the Bush Administration. Let's say that Harry starts calling Republicans Nazis. I'm not sure if he has done that, but if he did, that's pretty over the line. If he then gets invited to speak to a bunch of Democrats featuring the Democratic candidates for president, and he calls a Republican candidate a Nazi, and a bunch of Democrats cheered, then I'd think that was almost as bad as the Republicans inviting Ann Coulter to speak at their little shindig. Especially if he keeps getting invited.
Also, you used a word that I didn't use in any of my posts. "Majority." Um, please pay attention if you are going to argue with me, because quite frankly, I really don't think you're up to the challenge. I hate to sound like an elitist liberal, but geez, dude.
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MKGB
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03-04-2007 11:45 PM
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"In contrast, Ann Coulter doesn't think there's anything wrong with what she said and a lot of Republicans agree with her."
That's outrageously untrue, not sure where you so quickly found your information that "a lot of Republicans agree w/ her" bc essentially every statement I've seen from Republicans viciously condemn her choice of words. Your use of "a lot" is interesting bc it's totally randomly based on what you think. I didn't personally condemn her words bc I think she is a humorous entertainer and I'm not a registered Republican (hold many Libertarian beliefs). So I guess I'm not an ideal Republican either.
Also, when did the Republicans break out in cheers over her statement? That was your analogy to Clinton. Mine was that Ann Coulter said something that didn't reflect the majority's views, kind of like Pres Clinton did something that didn't reflect the majority's views. The biggest point is that Ann Coulter does not even represent voters, sure some people take her word as the gospel, but probably an equal number of voters take Ralph Nader's (an actual politician nonetheless) words as gospel but that doesn't represent "a lot" of liberals.
I fail to comprehend how being invited to speak at a conference equates to "a lot" of whatever party agreeing w/ their viewpoints, that is silly.
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MKGB
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03-04-2007 11:50 PM
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You are right Underdog, my mixup of "majority" is no worse than your pulling "a lot of Republicans" think this and that out of your ass on several occassions. Just curious where you get your info, that's all
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Eyes and ears, my friend.
Words are important. Language matters. It's the only thing that separates us from the animals.
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Ok, I have to add this too.
You are actually trying to dispute that "a lot of Republicans" agree with Ann Coulter's opinions? Do you really want to argue about this?
Ann Coulter has had five best-selling books. Each of her books has sold hundreds of thousands of copies. She openly supports Republicans. Who do you think is buying her books? It sure as hell isn't Democrats supporting her by buying those books. She is a regular guest of other Republican supporters like Sean Hannity who praises her books and encourages his mostly Republican listeners to buy her books.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say that there are a "lot" of Republicans who agree with Ann Coulter. If you know, hundreds of thousands counts as a lot. If not, let me know.
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MKGB
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03-05-2007 12:04 AM
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Maybe someone else here who agrees w/ Underdog's blind assumptions can verify that "a lot of Republicans" agree w/ what Ann Coulter said.
Until then we'll just continue to believe that you based that garbage off what a couple people said on an internet forum and maybe a couple of your conservative friends said offline. Surely your sample size can't be more than 10 to assert that "a lot of Republicans" think what they do about this incident, sorry I mixed that up w/ "majority" - obviously way off base bc you don't even know yourself where you came up w/ it.
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MKGB
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03-05-2007 12:11 AM
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Aren't you making the assumption that everyone who reads Ann Coulter takes it as gospel, not to mention that most everyone who reads Ann Coulter supports her most recent statement simply bc they've bought her books?
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