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Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal
destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to
disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their
public claims and much more.
WSJ
UK Guardian
BBC
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 slizza420: | |
Global Warming Thruthers? Good god some of you guys are really stupid. I think I just remembered why I don't post in OT anymore.
I'm just using "truthers" as a blanket term. People that don't believe that global warming is real get that label. I'm confused as to what your issue is with my statement?
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| slizza420: | |
Global Warming Thruthers? Good god some of you guys are really stupid. I think I just remembered why I don't post in OT anymore.
Because you're better than us with your global warming spinoff rant into over fishing and polluting and the coral reffer band? I bet you posted from a solar computer phone in your hydrogren prius, didn't you? The better question is why did you start posting again and when will it end? Did you know it's 4:20 est? Better get to it! /
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I found all the documents and emails on thepiratebay, this should pretty much consume my evening. Will report back later.
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mordan
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11-20-2009 4:07 PM
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| marinersheep: | |
Is there really any difference between 9/11 Truthers and Global Warming Truthers?
Ehhh guess the jury is out on that one. Depending on what exactly comes of the information from the recent hacking, its possible the 9/11 stuff could look loony compared to evidence for this.
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Its possible that our population growth has had an effect on the climate (pollution).
Its possible that as societies industrialize and become more prosperous around the world they effect the climate (pollution).
Its possible that increased global trading - international shipping, etc could effect the climate (pollution).
Its possible that increased deforestation due to societal and industrial changes has had an effective on the climate.
Its possible that none of the above has had an effect on our climate and we should just continue on with the status quo.
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I believe the correct term is now man made climate change, global warming was the 90's, we are actually in a cooling phase now. no denying pollution is bad, not sure how doubling my electric bill fixes that.
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look, even if they did collude and lie, they did it for our own good! won't somebody think of the cheeeeeeldren??!?
I just hope they don't go full-on State of Fear and start drilling and bombing in order to save us!
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| ginwilly: | |
no denying pollution is bad, not sure how doubling my electric bill fixes that.
bit of a red herring there imo - supply / demand, wages, capitalization, production costs etc etc
remember when "non leaded" gas was more expensive than "regular"?
or when deisel fuel was WAY less expensive than gas
or when natural gas heating was way cheaper than oil furnaces
- just a few things that come to mind - dunno who is to blame for these changes tho
anyhoo, gotta head out to my monthly game - cheers
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you miss the point here sax, nothing at all to do with supply and demand.
It's regulations and taxes imposed that will double our energy bills in the states here. It's taxes imposed that have caused diesel to cost more when it's actually a cheaper byproduct of gas. I don't remember oil furnaces, damn you are old lol.
Sad part is, our idiotic political policies will affect our neighbors to the north too, and you guys will have no say in it. I'd probably more pissed as a canuck. You guys are sitting on huge reserves of oil and natural gas and we won't let you mine them, ha ha. Can't have those jobs man, this is the new US, we only create public sector jobs now.
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Lenny
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11-20-2009 6:27 PM
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| saxman: | |
Its possible that our population growth has had an effect on the climate (pollution).
Its possible that as societies industrialize and become more prosperous around the world they effect the climate (pollution).
Its possible that increased global trading - international shipping, etc could effect the climate (pollution).
Its possible that increased deforestation due to societal and industrial changes has had an effective on the climate.
Its possible that none of the above has had an effect on our climate and we should just continue on with the status quo.
Which of these of these is the least likely. Hmm......
As for the OP... a few sentences taken out of context from one scientist's email does not refute decades of international science IMO.
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dpottz
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11-20-2009 6:29 PM
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| pigalet42: | |
has anyone read "Superfreakonomics"? hubby's reading it now and was telling me about how in it they talk about a think tank that has figured out how to correct global warming for the relatively minor sum of ~$2?0 billion (i don't remember the # and he has the book with him, but it was in the two hundreds) - not sure of the merits, but def thought it was interesting
they caught a lot of flack for that chapter and some of it well-deserved. possibly the best point made was that the chapter seems to go against the whole spirit of freakonomics. after all, the majority of the stories in freakonomics are about unintended consequences of our actions, yet in that chapter, they recommend something that very easily could have dire, unintended consequences.
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mordan
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11-20-2009 6:33 PM
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| Lenny: | |
Which of these of these is the least likely. Hmm......
As for the OP... a few sentences taken out of context from one scientist's email does not refute decades of international science IMO.
I guess you are one of those people who just clicked on the link and read the story. Instead next time click on the other links in the story that connect to the documents if they are still up, you will see that it is way more than a few sentences taken out of context, and IMO taken out of context is the wrong way to describe what I was reading.
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lol Lenny, a few sentences. stop it man, just stop.
so, taking sax's list that we all agree with btw, take each point, should be fun increased population: we can fix this, won't be pretty, but yeah, can be done increased global trading: easy enough, china will be pissed at us and we'll be paying huge for our electronics, but yeah, for the sake of global whatever it is now we can stop all global trading deforestation: we actually have more trees than we did 100 years ago through efforts of the environmentalists but this one is serious. We absolutely can't keep raping the rain forests, we really have to stop this.
now tell me, how does cap and trade fix any of these?
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| Lenny: | |
a few sentences taken out of context from one scientist's email does not refute decades of lies IMO.
FYP
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| ginwilly: | |
now tell me, how does cap and tax fix any of these?
FYP
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