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Does that make her your uncle?
Anyhow, something I've been thinking about for a while is same sex couples having children. I have some first hand experience with seeing same sex couples interacting with children, because my ex-wife's dad is gay and lives with his lover. Granted they both treat Eva very well and spoil her a ton, but while Gary is her grandpa...what should she call his lover, Mike? This isn't the same thing as a same sex couple adopting and being parents, and they obviously don't have the same influence over my daughter as a couple who adopted a child would have over said child. That said, it's still an awkward situation and if I'm being honest, I don't like it when she's by herself with those two especially if it's over night.
What do you guys think?
Oh, I'll add this bit as well: Both Gary and Mike have children from marriages they were involved in before they met each other. Mike was a counselor for Alcoholics Anonymous and Gary attended his sessions, that's how they met. Mike has 3 kids, and Gary has 2 of his own. This is yet another reason I am not convinced of the "you're born gay" theory. These two men led lives which involved women and children and marriage to the opposite sex, until they were both over the age of 40. Mike and I actually had a pretty heated discussion recently, and that is what brought me to think about this more as of late.
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Leet8s
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11-04-2009 1:32 PM
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This thread is heading straight towards shitland. OneM, if science proved that being gay wasn't a choice, what would you say? Claim ignorance?
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OneM24
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11-04-2009 1:35 PM
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Maybe you don't want your daughter to grow up with an open mind
My daughter can, should, will, and does have an open mind about many things. Human sexuality is not one of them.
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So what happens if your daughter grows up and realizes she prefers women? Was it the gay grandparents fault? Your fault? and Will you disown her?
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OneM24
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11-04-2009 1:41 PM
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OneM, if science proved that being gay wasn't a choice, what would you say? Claim ignorance?
I would say those people looking for a reason for science to prove being gay isn't a choice, are tailoring results from their "scientific research" to fit what they want to find, and not what is necessarily true. How many times has something been deemed as fact in the name of "science", and has later been disproven? No, this is one of those things where you can submit so called evidence for both arguments and each may have valid points. That said, any argument claiming genetic link to being homosexual is not logical and I will not entertain it...regardless of whatever "evidence" is submitted.
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Your daughter can't have an open mind about human sexuality?
Wow. That's very sad.
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cb04 and I would golf with my father inlaw and his friend every Sunday over summer and he would always say that:
If your aunt had balls, then she'd be your uncle. i didn't read the rest of the OP, so i have no other contribution to make
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DJam21
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11-04-2009 1:43 PM
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| OneM24: | |
My daughter can, should, will, and does have an open mind about many things. Human sexuality is not one of them.
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OneM24
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11-04-2009 1:44 PM
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So what happens if your daughter grows up and realizes she prefers women? Was it the gay grandparents fault? Your fault? and Will you disown her?
I was waiting on this question, it ALWAYS comes up in this type of discussion. I would say there are many things in today's society that could lead to somebody making the decision to be homosexual. Perhaps it would be a mixture of the influence of grandparent and his partner, the glorified gay pride parades, television exposure that is distasteful but casts that behavior in a positive light (which I dislike extremely), and a myriad of other things.
And with all due respect, GTFO with the disown question. It doesn't even deserve a response.
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many children have two grandfathers in their lives - i would assume she would differentiate between them the same way most families deal with this - by calling them two different things - in our household, for instance, my dad is "Grandpa" and the hubby's dad is "Pops" i understand that you have reservations about having your daughter spend time with her homosexual grandparents, but you do need to realize that the child's mother also has some say in how her daughter is raised - if you don't like that she is exposed to lifestyles that you don't approve of, you're free to teach her your views on morality, but to deny her the relationship or contact with her mother's parents is wrong you know i <3 you, onem, but i will never understand ppl who truly believe that homosexuality is a choice - for some, maybe it is these days - but who would choose to be ostracized and discriminated against the way gays have been and continue to be? who would choose to be treated as a second-class citizen? to state that homosexuality is unnatural seems absurd when you take a look at nature - it's really not all that uncommon - we are animals, after all
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OneM24
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11-04-2009 1:47 PM
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Your daughter can't have an open mind about human sexuality?
Wow. That's very sad.
Why is it sad? The purpose of human sexuality is for reproduction. Two males cannot reproduce, and neither can two females. What is there to debate?
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I would say those people looking for a reason for science to prove being gay isn't a choice, are tailoring results from their "scientific research" to fit what they want to find, and not what is necessarily true. How many times has something been deemed as fact in the name of "science", and has later been disproven? No, this is one of those things where you can submit so called evidence for both arguments and each may have valid points. That said, any argument claiming genetic link to being homosexual is not logical and I will not entertain it...regardless of whatever "evidence" is submitted.
what? so you'll just cover your ears and start singing something very loud? btw, do you also still think that the earth is flat?
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Well you stated your child can't have an open mind about human sexuality so it wouldn't seem far fetched to assume that you would have strong negative feelings towards her had she disobeyed your teachings. I have a gay sister so I have some first hand knowledge on the subject.
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I think you guys should call them Tranma and Tranpa
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That said, any argument claiming genetic link to being homosexual is not logical and I will not entertain it...regardless of whatever "evidence" is submitted.
how is it not logical? people are born with all sorts of abnormalities of one form or another, why would you exclude sexuality as a possibility?
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OneM24
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11-04-2009 1:52 PM
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I realize her mother has some say, but just because she has some say does not mean I have to agree with what she is saying. I really have no desire for her to not have a relationship with her grandpa, but it's a catch 22 for me. My views on morality will be very well known to her as she grows older.
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but who would choose to be ostracized and discriminated against the way gays have been and continue to be? who would choose to be treated as a second-class citizen?
The craving of attention is a powerful thing. Also, men and women who are abused as children often shy away from the sex that abused them as they get older. This could also be a contributing circumstance. It's only one argument, but you get my point. I know many kids that "acted" gay (especially females) while in high school, just to get the attention. Sometimes people don't care that it's negative attention, it's the fact that they are getting it at all that matters to them.
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