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Does that make her your uncle?
Anyhow, something I've been thinking about for a while is same sex couples having children. I have some first hand experience with seeing same sex couples interacting with children, because my ex-wife's dad is gay and lives with his lover. Granted they both treat Eva very well and spoil her a ton, but while Gary is her grandpa...what should she call his lover, Mike? This isn't the same thing as a same sex couple adopting and being parents, and they obviously don't have the same influence over my daughter as a couple who adopted a child would have over said child. That said, it's still an awkward situation and if I'm being honest, I don't like it when she's by herself with those two especially if it's over night.
What do you guys think?
Oh, I'll add this bit as well: Both Gary and Mike have children from marriages they were involved in before they met each other. Mike was a counselor for Alcoholics Anonymous and Gary attended his sessions, that's how they met. Mike has 3 kids, and Gary has 2 of his own. This is yet another reason I am not convinced of the "you're born gay" theory. These two men led lives which involved women and children and marriage to the opposite sex, until they were both over the age of 40. Mike and I actually had a pretty heated discussion recently, and that is what brought me to think about this more as of late.
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Leet8s
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11-04-2009 2:27 PM
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Ecu, the girls that kiss each other at the bar for attention are clearly not gay.
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 OneM24: | |
Get back with me when such a finding has been accepted as scientific proof of homosexuality being genetic. We can argue it at that time. As for now, I'm done arguing this topic. We are going to simply have to agree to disagree on the matter. I respect your right to have your OPINION, but that does not mean I have to agree with it...just as you do not have to agree with me. I'm just glad we can discuss it in a mostly civil manner, instead of name calling and such.
dood, i have my opinion but never argued it... i was just surprised at how u claimed u'll never change ur mind no matter what the evidence might be.
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Yes, and I think that's my point that not everyone who engages in homosexual activity or participates in the lifestyle is gay, either. For some, it can be a choice. For others, it doesn't seem to be.
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I actually think this might be a good thing for your daughter and you. Growing up with two opinions on this issue. You obviously have your views on this subject while your wife and her father have different views. I think exposing your daughter to both sides of this issue will make her a more open minded person and hopefully some of that open mindedness rubs off on you. As long as you and her grandfather don't go bad mouthing each others lifestyle to her. That will prob just leave her very confused. But don't worry.......gay doesn't rub off so I don't think you have to worry about your daughter "becoming" gay.
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Leet8s
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11-04-2009 3:25 PM
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Those who are "gay" for attention shouldn't be included in the discussion because clearly they aren't gay. They are just undertaking homosexual activity. It's like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. All who are gay have homosexual tendencies but those with homosexual tendencies aren't all gay.
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Well, how do you distinguish one from the other? I was simply pointing out that some people choose to engage in homosexual activity and others don't. The operable word here is choose. It's not out of the realm of possibility that some people who are leading a gay lifestyle are making the to do so choice as opposed to being born that way. Some people itt act like it's exclusively a genetic/biological thing and that nobody ever chooses it. I believe that's a false assumption.
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| OneM24: | |
For every argument suggesting homosexuality is something you are born with, there is an argument suggesting it is not. I choose to believe the latter. Why is that hard to understand?
why can't it be both? it seems that your experience with these arguments would only lead to that logical conclusion.
also, a "gay gene" could be recessive, not dominant. for instance, a person could be a carrier for a genetic disorder that causes their child to be sterile if they receive that trait. so how could such a gene get passed on? because you can be a carrier of a recessive allele and have it only show up every once in a while in a family lineage. if two parents are Gg and Gg for the gay gene, then their children will either be GG (gay, not super gay, just regular ole gay), Gg (gay again), and gg (not gay, but carries the allele).
also, it could be biological but not linked to genetics. for instance, every time a woman has a son, her body makes more estrogen to combat his testosterone. so every time a woman has a son, it will be exposed to more estrogen, and thus, be more likely to be gay (and this also opens up degrees of homosexuality, like in the Kinsey scale)
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| OneM24: | |
Why is it sad? The purpose of human sexuality is for reproduction. Two males cannot reproduce, and neither can two females. What is there to debate?
have you ever had sex with a condom? or pulled out? or done anything to prevent your jizz from getting your partner pregnant? if the answer to any of those questions is yes, even if it happened only once, then this particular argument you are using is proven wrong. this includes engaging in oral sex, anal sex, hand jobs, regardless of who is giving or receiving
of course, you did explicitly state that if evidence is brought to you to show that your opinion is wrong you will willingly ignore it and keep believing what you believe.
most people at least try to mask their ignorance and stubbornness...so i guess you get points for honesty
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| OneM24: | |
Why is it sad? The purpose of human sexuality is for reproduction. Two males cannot reproduce, and neither can two females. What is there to debate?
i can't remember your response when the subject has come up, but what's your opinion of anal sex? (male-female, obv)
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this one time, I shook hands with one of them...and I was chuggin cack for three weeks until the effects wore off. although it might have also been from watching will & grace that one time. the lil queer and the drunk bitch were hilarious, next thing I know I'm hammered and fapping to gay porn. fml
lol @ thinking someone can "choose" to "turn" gay or straight. you can choose to do gay stuff, you can't choose to be gay. Can you imagine all of a sudden thinking "that smoking hot chick no longer does it for me like it did yesterday, now I like big hairy men!"?
*although abuse in childhood can muck up sexual development. pm dr. drew for details
as for OP, I wouldn't worry about it unless you are given a reason to worry. and as for them not being gay b/c they had families, well, you can see they were drunk the whole time! hey-ohhh!
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aj_law
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11-04-2009 4:31 PM
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| OneM24: | |
What do you guys think?
About what, exactly? This thread seems to have evolved into a discussion about whether being gay is a choice or not, but I don't think that was the original intent of the post.
If you're asking about your uneasiness with leaving your daughter by herself with them overnight, I think you have every right (obv) to be concerned with who is watching your child when you're not around. If you're not comfortable with putting her in that sitch, your ex and her dad should respect that. However, you did say that they treat her very well and spoil her a ton so I think you need to drill down and ask yourself why you're not cool with that setup. Is it her safety or your personal feelings that are driving the bus?
If you're just taking people's temperature on same sex couples adopting, well I'd say I don't have a problem with it, but I'd also be lying if I said I didn't have some general concerns. Even though homosexuality is becoming more and more acceptable in today's society, I think too much focus falls on the couple and not on the child.
Being a kid is tough, but being a kid of a gay couple?? Gotta be brutal. I've got two of my own and I'm reminded on a daily basis of how mean kids can be. Now, take that and multiply it by being a kid and having two dads or two moms. Think that kid is gonna get teased or tormented? It's a very, very tough situation to put a child into and this isn't even getting into any long term ramifications from that.
Still, you have to ask yourself, is that type of situation worse than a traditional Mom/Dad/kids family where the Mom abuses the children or maybe the Dad uses the Mom as a punching bag and the kids see/know it? Of course not.
Tough and touchy topic where people are looking for black and white answers and all they're finding is a whole lotta gray.
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| ecugirl93: | |
Well, how do you distinguish one from the other? I was simply pointing out that some people choose to engage in homosexual activity and others don't. The operable word here is choose. It's not out of the realm of possibility that some people who are leading a gay lifestyle are making the to do so choice as opposed to being born that way. Some people itt act like it's exclusively a genetic/biological thing and that nobody ever chooses it. I believe that's a false assumption.
this is all opinion, but...
ppl who are "gay" for attention (e.g. chicks kissing at a bar) probably wouldn't do anything gay behind closed doors.
anything gay behind closed doors are either pure gay or bi-curiousity, not "attention gay". Bi-curiosity can probably be explained with the whole genetic gayness level theory (i.e. 100%=pure straight, 50%=bi, 0%=pure gay).
This is why i think what's often interpreted as "choice" is actually just natural urges that finally broke down societal expectations.
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Nobody who is over 40 was born gay, it just was not allowed.
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the more she will be influenced to think that behavior/sexual orientation is OK
No shit sherlock what do you think the gay agenda is all about.
when I was in High School they got the shit beat out of them now they go to the prom together.
Whether they are born that way or not, there are alot of fudge packers that choose to be that way, and as psycho as all women are I don't blame them.
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| wonglondo: | |
Get back with me when such a finding has been accepted as scientific proof of homosexuality being genetic.
It's a proven fact... just like global warming.
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| OneM24: | |
I believe the more time she spends in an environment with two gay adults, the more she will be influenced to think that behavior/sexual orientation is OK...and that's not something she should be influenced with one way or the other IMO. I would not/do not want morality being taught to my daughter by them. (A lot of that has to do with what I've seen in my ex-wife, and I shudder to think my daughter would hold some of the same beliefs and carry the same attitude as she does  )
so iyo it is wrong.
if you dont want your daughter to be around gay people thats your business. then dont let her be around them if it makes you uncomfortable. but to teach her its actually WRONG to be gay...fuck you.
go teach her racism while your at it.
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