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Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Rua (UFC 104)
Dr.GHouse (United States) 9,637 Posts. Joined 05-04-2007.
10-21-2009 8:27 PM

Haven't seen much on here about this fight, but it's this Saturday and was wondering what the general concensus was of this fight and possibly of the card itself?

I'll just post a video I cut off of MMA Live talking about Lyoto Machida post UFC 98.  Listen to what they're saying about the chances of the general concensus #2 LHW in the world are against Lyoto Machida.

I, personally, think Shogun is in some serious trouble in this fight for a huge variety of reasons.



This Saturday night bishes!  Gonna be AWESOME!
 
 
 

DAWS (United States) 588 Posts. Joined 12-30-2007.
10-23-2009 10:21 AM - In reply to

TiltinShoes: 

 Its possible him being a known gasser has something to do with how they train as opposed to no roids now.  I don't know, but the way his camp trains is VERY wearing on the body.



that wouldn't really explain ufc gassing issues when he didn't gas as much previously... agree on their training being sick though... loved watching wanderlei's snorkle, vest, nose taped shut training... that was pretty sick

DAWS (United States) 588 Posts. Joined 12-30-2007.
10-23-2009 10:24 AM - In reply to

wand snorkle training

TiltinShoes (United States) 3,974 Posts. Joined 09-10-2007.
10-23-2009 10:26 AM - In reply to

DAWS: 
that wouldn't really explain ufc gassing issues when he didn't gas as much previously... agree on their training being sick though... loved watching wanderlei's snorkle, vest, nose taped shut training... that was pretty sick


I'm not saying that is why, just pondering it.  I mean isn't it possible though that it just built up more wear and tear over time?

astaggs (United States) 1,153 Posts. Joined 05-08-2008.
10-23-2009 11:25 AM - In reply to

 If Shogun can somehow hit Machida I'd take Shogun...problem is NO ONE has been able to get to Machida...so Machida TKO rd3


GRIMYOAF (United States) 1,905 Posts. Joined 04-14-2008.
10-23-2009 11:46 AM - In reply to

If Shogun comes into the fight ontop of his game/in shape then he will give Machida all he wants.  If Tido can damage Machida for a round, a "good" Shogun stands a good chance.  That said, im gonna go with Machida for a ko at the 1:48 mark of the 3rd round.  Im just hoping Shogun brings it cuz I really want this to be an epic fight.


astaggs (United States) 1,153 Posts. Joined 05-08-2008.
10-23-2009 12:22 PM - In reply to

GRIMYOAF: 

If Shogun comes into the fight ontop of his game/in shape then he will give Machida all he wants.  If Tido can damage Machida for a round, a "good" Shogun stands a good chance.  That said, im gonna go with Machida for a ko at the 1:48 mark of the 3rd round.  Im just hoping Shogun brings it cuz I really want this to be an epic fight.

Did you see that fight??

ace bentley (United States) 621 Posts. Joined 03-29-2007.
10-23-2009 12:27 PM - In reply to

IMO the only smart bet in this is to take Shogun (which I still wouldn't recommend.)  Anyone who knows anything about MMA will tell you that if Shogun shows up in shape, this will be Machida's toughest fight to  date.  I think Machida will win tomorrow night, but I def wouldn't put up $400+ to win $100 because he's not that big of a favorite...


NewMike (Canada) 244 Posts. Joined 11-19-2006.
10-23-2009 12:59 PM - In reply to

Depending on which Shogun shows up this will either be an easy win or his toughest to date in the UFC.

And LOL at Joe Daddy not gaining any new skills in the last 2 years. I guess you didn't watch his last fight.


ill flu (United States) 6,048 Posts. Joined 08-23-2005.
10-23-2009 2:17 PM - In reply to

astaggs: 
Did you see that fight??


I saw Ryoto caught in tito's triangle lol.

ill flu (United States) 6,048 Posts. Joined 08-23-2005.
10-23-2009 2:18 PM - In reply to

I wouldnt want to bet on this one.  The Lyoto lines are too high and the Shogun Lines arent high enough (oh is that how they make their money?)

But Im pulling for Shogun but I really dont see it happening.

Cant wait to see it tho!

DBo Fo Sho (United States) 3,459 Posts. Joined 07-20-2006.
10-23-2009 2:40 PM - In reply to

Should be a fun fight to watch, that Evans Machida match seems like it was over a year ago


voorh33s 100 Posts. Joined 06-29-2008.
10-23-2009 2:57 PM - In reply to

Autolobotomist: 

Most notably that his resume for the last 3 years reads: nearly 40-something has been, 40-something has been, The Phil Helmuth of MMA.



Wrong. Fail. STFU.

astaggs (United States) 1,153 Posts. Joined 05-08-2008.
10-23-2009 3:05 PM - In reply to

ill flu: 
I saw Ryoto caught in tito's triangle lol.
Yeah and I saw Lyoto dominate that entire fight

suitedaces1012 (United States) 215 Posts. Joined 11-26-2007.
10-23-2009 6:20 PM - In reply to

Leafs4ever21: 

Anyone want Shogun here? cause i'll take machida alll day



I'll put up 100 on shogun to your 400 on machinda

obviously would want an escrow to hold the money beforehand, im more of a lurker here so I dont have any suggestions but will agree to anybody I notice posts often and has high credibility, as well some poker success ha so they have no desire to keep the money...let me know and how this works, if u can find someone to escrow, or if anyone here that feels reputable and has no problem holding will do? 

Dr.GHouse (United States) 9,637 Posts. Joined 05-04-2007.
10-23-2009 6:27 PM - In reply to

ill flu: 
astaggs: 
Did you see that fight??


I saw Ryoto caught in tito's triangle lol.

Well, if you watch it again, you'll see that Lyotos right shoulder is outside of Tito's legs which pretty much saves him.  The position was "cinched" with the exception of that. That pretty much allowed him to escape relatively easily.  However, had Tito put it on sooner (And Lyoto hadn't of been able to escape his shoulder), he might have finished it, or Lyoto might have executed the proper escape..
 
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