Off Topic Post

mattg1983:

Mr323:

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.

my god you are being dense. The question isnt what kills more people a year. The answer to the OP is armed robber by a lot.

total Murder = 220 (using 5% of armed robberies ending in Murder we get 11 total for Phoenix)

total robbery = 4,237 (Crime stats report that Firearms are used in 42.1 percent of reported robberies) (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robbery.html)

So 11 murders occurred during the 1783 armed robberies (42.1 % of 4237) in Phoenix. Based on the stats, there is a less then a 1% chance of getting murdered when an  Armed Robbery is also occurring. (Chance is .62 %)

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According to the tables there were 14,121 (2004) total murders in the USA with Robber accounting for 988. So about 7% of Murders involved robbery...but hold on, 745 of the 988 robbery murders involved a firearm. So 5% of murders committed in the USA during 2004 involved a firearm and a robbery. 

ibarrio:

mattg1983:

Mr323:

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.

my god you are being dense. The question isnt what kills more people a year. The answer to the OP is armed robber by a lot.

In 2005, Phoenix proper had a population of 1,466,296. The total murders was 220 and the total Armed Robberies as 4,237. So going with statistics from the FBI we can calculate. 

total Murder = 220 (using 5% of armed robberies ending in Murder we get 11 total for Phoenix)

total robbery = 4,237 (Crime stats report that Firearms are used in 42.1 percent of reported robberies) (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robbery.html)

So 11 murders occurred during the 1783 armed robberies (42.1 % of 4237) in Phoenix. Based on the stats, there is a less then a 1% chance of getting murdered when an  Armed Robbery is also occurring. (Chance is .62 %)

more...

According to the tables there were 14,121 (2004) total murders in the USA with Robber accounting for 988. So about 7% of Murders involved robbery...but hold on, 745 of the 988 robbery murders involved a firearm. So 5% of murders committed in the USA during 2004 involved a firearm and a robbery. 

(http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html#table2_13) Look at Table 2.12

(http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html)

Now need to find the chance of dying during an Alcohol related auto accident.

god some ppl are dense

slizza420:

ibarrio:

mattg1983:

Mr323:

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.

my god you are being dense. The question isnt what kills more people a year. The answer to the OP is armed robber by a lot.

In 2005, Phoenix proper had a population of 1,466,296. The total murders was 220 and the total Armed Robberies as 4,237. So going with statistics from the FBI we can calculate. 

total Murder = 220 (using 5% of armed robberies ending in Murder we get 11 total for Phoenix)

total robbery = 4,237 (Crime stats report that Firearms are used in 42.1 percent of reported robberies) (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robbery.html)

So 11 murders occurred during the 1783 armed robberies (42.1 % of 4237) in Phoenix. Based on the stats, there is a less then a 1% chance of getting murdered when an  Armed Robbery is also occurring. (Chance is .62 %)

more...

According to the tables there were 14,121 (2004) total murders in the USA with Robber accounting for 988. So about 7% of Murders involved robbery...but hold on, 745 of the 988 robbery murders involved a firearm. So 5% of murders committed in the USA during 2004 involved a firearm and a robbery. 

(http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html#table2_13) Look at Table 2.12

(http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html)

Now need to find the chance of dying during an Alcohol related auto accident.

Why does either have to result in death for it to be considered dangerous? Lol at people digging up stats to figure the answer to this question out. There is no clear cut correct answer. I personally would rather see my enemy face to face rather than get hit by some dumb drunk mfer. Also do you take into account whether or not the intended robbery victim is packing. Try that shit up here in AK and you will likely get shot. You can legally carry a firearm here without a permit as long as you have a clean record. Like I said soooo many variables are unaccounted for on both sides of the argument.

mathclub:

god some ppl are dense

boozer555:

OBV Armed Robber.  Armed robber = motive/intent to commit a crime and impaired judgement.   And what if the idiot with the gun is high as a kite and pointing a hand cannon in your face?   Drunker driver = Dip shit with poor/impaired judgement.  I highly doubt the majority set out at the begining of the night saying im going to drink and drive so I can put the public in danger.

 I made the OP because I had a guy tell me that the DD was much more dangerous then an armed robber and it was so mind-bottling.

I posted earlier in the thread that the conversation started because a buddy of mine was in court and 2 of the cases before him were a DUI and an armed robbery. Guess who got the 30 days in jail? Obv the DUI.

I have had a gun in my face and even though I did not think the guy would use it, it is not something I care to go thru again.

I will take my chances against the drunk driver every time.

 fwiw, i wasn't taking a stance, i just didn't like the logic in the previous post..intent is irrelevant to danger here imo..

mathclub:

god some ppl are dense

slizza420:

Curtass:

Armed Robber and it isn't even close.

It's like when they say a certain city is the murder capital of the world. Most of the cities that are labeled as such have less homicides then a bigger more populated city but has a higher murder rate per capita.

so lets say City A is the murder capital of the world

City (A) 
population of 100,000
Overall Homicides 1,000 for the year x
1% of the popualtion was murdered

City (B) 
population of 400,000
Overall Homicides 2,000 for the year x
.5% of the popualtion was murdered

City (B) had more homicides for the year because the population is bigger but you are twice as likely to be murdered in City (A) so therefore living in City (A) poses a greater threat to you.

You obv have not seen Phil Hellmuth or Dante Stallworth drive. I would rather face an armed robber that looks like Kimbo Slice rather than even ride in a car with one of those two. Obv I am joking most drunk drivers make it home with only taking out a couple garbage cans etc. but in all seriousness some drivers drunk behind the wheel are every bit as dangerous as the most ruthless armed robber out there. One of my friends was a world class cyclist b4 some fuckhead drunk took off one of his legs.

Drinking and driving is still acceptable.  All slices of society do it.  They never have a bunch of cabs at my office christmas parties.  For every person caught there are 100000 incidents that are not caught.  Why the hell do bars have parking lots?  For the designated drivers? Ha    Two drinks and you are "legally" drunk.  If you don't want to get killed by a drunk, stay off the road after midnight on the weekend, when a large percentage of the accidents happen.

By the way, Armed robbers are the trash of society.

Cheers

Mr323:

Jennifear:

I'd imagine the answer is the armed robber, but I've never seen any stats comparing the two.

I'd assume that a greater percentage of armed robberies result in death as opposed to incidents of drunk driving....but I might be wrong.

Is this a level?? I respect you and your math abilities and reasoning probably more than anyone I "eknow", your answer shocks me. 

Now that I think about it, this is a USA biased answer on my part.  We have a real problem with it here.  Let alone the senseless deaths, lots of injuries as well, lots of lives changed.  I, from a US perspective, stand by my answer.

CASHRUS:

Drinking and driving is still acceptable.  All slices of society do it.  They never have a bunch of cabs at my office christmas parties.  For every person caught there are 100000 incidents that are not caught.  Why the hell do bars have parking lots?  For the designated drivers? Ha    Two drinks and you are "legally" drunk.  If you don't want to get killed by a drunk, stay off the road after midnight on the weekend, when a large percentage of the accidents happen.

By the way, Armed robbers are the trash of society.

Cheers

mathclub:

CASHRUS:

Drinking and driving is still acceptable.  All slices of society do it.  They never have a bunch of cabs at my office christmas parties.  For every person caught there are 100000 incidents that are not caught.  Why the hell do bars have parking lots?  For the designated drivers? Ha    Two drinks and you are "legally" drunk.  If you don't want to get killed by a drunk, stay off the road after midnight on the weekend, when a large percentage of the accidents happen.

By the way, Armed robbers are the trash of society.

Cheers

really, and i thought ppl who drunk and drove were the trash of society.  welcome to 2009. 

are you for fuckin real??

Stockage:

you really are a pompous axxhole.

i'll be drinking and driving today. if you are in vegas stay off the road.