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More dangerous to society: A drunk driver or an armed robber?
Stynsty71 (United States) 3,100 Posts. Joined 11-14-2006.
07-03-2009 7:16 PM

Which one is more dangerous OT?


 
 
 

Willywoo (Djibouti) 11,525 Posts. Joined 01-30-2006.
07-03-2009 8:53 PM - In reply to

 Depends on how you define "dangerous to society". How do you define "drunk"?  How do you define "armed"? Do you mean as a society wide problem or an individual drunk driver and an individual armed robber?  I think the odds of someone getting seriously hurt once an armed robbery is commenced is far greater than when someone drives a motor vehicle at .05BAC or greater, but I would say that more people are seriously injured by drunk drivers who are above .15BAC. 


agpmedia (United States) 449 Posts. Joined 06-08-2008.
07-03-2009 8:57 PM - In reply to

Jennifear: 

I'd imagine the answer is the armed robber, but I've never seen any stats comparing the two.

I'd assume that a greater percentage of armed robberies result in death as opposed to incidents of drunk driving....but I might be wrong.



Drinking and driving fatalities by state in 2006 (ranked by highest number of alcohol related deaths):

State
Total Fatalities

Alcohol-Related Fatalities

Number
Percent
3,466
1,544
45%
4,229
1,509
36%
3,363
1,111
33%
1,517
556
37%
1,254
540
43%
1,688
539
32%
1,280
502
39%
1,558
490
31%
1,454
483
33%
1,286
478
37%
1,037
477
46%
1,087
469
43%
1,235
451
37%
1,206
445
37%
982
425
43%
1,081
390
36%
911
358
39%
722
352
49%
961
347
36%
896
290
32%
771
285
37%
630
269
43%
913
257
28%
665
245
37%
765
243
32%
651
235
36%
533
207
39%
477
177
37%
493
175
36%
432
168
39%
466
162
35%
422
159
38%
484
155
32%
408
155
38%
439
142
32%
301
121
40%
255
114
45%
267
102
38%
266
86
32%
191
78
41%
195
78
40%
160
77
48%
188
70
37%
284
63
22%
127
51
40%
148
50
34%
111
47
42%
81
37
46%
86
28
33%
73
23
31%
37
14
36%




National
42,532
15,829
37%


I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

boozer555 (United States) 44 Posts. Joined 12-18-2005.
07-03-2009 9:00 PM - In reply to

OBV Armed Robber.  Armed robber = motive/intent to commit a crime and impaired judgement.   And what if the idiot with the gun is high as a kite and pointing a hand cannon in your face?   Drunker driver = Dip shit with poor/impaired judgement.  I highly doubt the majority set out at the begining of the night saying im going to drink and drive so I can put the public in danger.


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
07-03-2009 9:00 PM - In reply to

To be honest, 323, it was only a guess. 

I'd be surprised to find out that the average number of deaths per 1000 armed robbery incidents were less than the average number of deaths per 1000 drunk driving trips, but I've been surprised before.

edit:  After doing a little research, I couldn't find any exact numbers, but it isn't close.  Being very generous, someone who commits an armed robbery is at least 40 times as likely to cause a death as someone who drinks and drives home. 

So there's no question about it, an armed robber is much, much more dangerous, per incident.

An argument could be made that a drunk driver commits at least 40 times as many infractions as an armed robber, and is therefore more dangerous.


JMcKW (United Kingdom) 387 Posts. Joined 03-20-2008.
07-03-2009 9:04 PM - In reply to

boozer555: 

OBV Armed Robber.  Armed robber = motive/intent to commit a crime and impaired judgement.   And what if the idiot with the gun is high as a kite and pointing a hand cannon in your face?   Drunker driver = Dip shit with poor/impaired judgement.  I highly doubt the majority set out at the begining of the night saying im going to drink and drive so I can put the public in danger.



hand cannon, I lol'd. but yeah obv armed robber

Mr323 (United States) 3,000 Posts. Joined 11-08-2007.
07-03-2009 9:16 PM - In reply to

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.


mathclub (New Zealand) 6,585 Posts. Joined 01-17-2007.
07-03-2009 9:17 PM - In reply to

agpmedia: 

I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

i hate people misusing stats.

the question was which is more dangerous.  the total number of deaths doesn't mean anything in this context. 

ie is it more dangerous to drive a car or jump out of an aeroplane and have your chute not open??  obviously driving a car kills more people.  obviously jumping from a plan and having your chute not open is a more dangerous situation to be in.

if you're gonna take the time to go look up stats at least answer the question

Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
07-03-2009 9:22 PM - In reply to

Mr323: 

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.



No question, there are more drunk driving fatalities than armed robbery fatalities, but that doesn't make a single drunk driver a bigger threat to society than a single armed robber.  There are just more drunk drivers.  I'd say that drunk driving is the bigger problem of the two, but that wasn't what was asked.


Mr323 (United States) 3,000 Posts. Joined 11-08-2007.
07-03-2009 9:25 PM - In reply to

I'll argue the meaning of threat then, so if the numbers are so far greater on one side, it still less of a threat?
So, you would rather fade a open ended draw opponent all in or a flush draw?

Maybe not the best analogy, but get my point?  Happy weekend as well :)


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
07-03-2009 9:29 PM - In reply to

Mr323: 

I'll argue the meaning of threat then, so if the numbers are so far greater on one side, it still less of a threat?
So, you would rather fade a open ended draw opponent all in or a flush draw?

Maybe not the best analogy, but get my point?  Happy weekend as well :)



Don't get me wrong.  I understand the severity of drunk driving, and it's far-reaching consequences that go much deeper than the 15k or whatever deaths that are caused by it. 

And I'm still not sure I'm right.  The more I think about it, a drunk driver is likely to commit a lot more infractions than your average armed robber before stopping/getting caught, AND a drunk driver is more likely to repeat after getting caught.

So a single drunk driver might be more dangerous than a single armed robber, even though per incident it's not close.

Happy weekend to you and we can agree on this:  F Drunk Driving and Armed Robbery!

MenJr09 (United States) 464 Posts. Joined 02-09-2007.
07-03-2009 9:39 PM - In reply to

drunk driver obv


dpottz (United States) 10,759 Posts. Joined 04-05-2006.
07-03-2009 9:43 PM - In reply to

mathclub: 

agpmedia: 

I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

i hate people misusing stats.

the question was which is more dangerous.  the total number of deaths doesn't mean anything in this context. 

ie is it more dangerous to drive a car or jump out of an aeroplane and have your chute not open??  obviously driving a car kills more people.  obviously jumping from a plan and having your chute not open is a more dangerous situation to be in.

if you're gonna take the time to go look up stats at least answer the question


this, this, this

figure out how many people drive drunk and how many people commit armed robbery, then the deaths associated with each.

Defndrofangels (United States) 4,155 Posts. Joined 09-13-2008.
07-03-2009 9:46 PM - In reply to

that's a good question.  Probably armed robber.   


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
07-03-2009 9:47 PM - In reply to

dpottz: 
mathclub: 

agpmedia: 

I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

i hate people misusing stats.

the question was which is more dangerous.  the total number of deaths doesn't mean anything in this context. 

ie is it more dangerous to drive a car or jump out of an aeroplane and have your chute not open??  obviously driving a car kills more people.  obviously jumping from a plan and having your chute not open is a more dangerous situation to be in.

if you're gonna take the time to go look up stats at least answer the question


this, this, this

figure out how many people drive drunk and how many people commit armed robbery, then the deaths associated with each.


I tried to do this and failed miserably.

LeftyMark (United States) 15,409 Posts. Joined 01-14-2007.
07-03-2009 9:47 PM - In reply to

What about a bank robber with a drunk get away driver?  Lethal combination right there.

 
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