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Should women be drafted?
36crazyfists (United States) 4,398 Posts. Joined 05-26-2006.
10-15-2008 1:52 PM

Equality bishes!!!

Candidates differ on female draft
Monday, October 13, 2008

Even as the U.S. confronts two long wars, neither Sen. John McCain nor Sen. Barack Obama believes the country should take the politically perilous step of reviving the military draft.

But the two presidential candidates disagree on a key foundation of any future draft: Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn't think women should have to register.

Also, Mr. Obama would consider officially opening combat positions to women. Mr. McCain would not.

"Women are already serving in combat [in Iraq and Afghanistan] and the current policy should be updated to reflect realities on the ground," said Wendy Morigi, Mr. Obama's national security spokeswoman. "Barack Obama would consult with military commanders to review the constraints that remain."

According to his campaign, Mr. McCain supports the current Department of Defense restrictions on women in combat units, including armor, field artillery and special forces.

In 1980, President Jimmy Carter revived the Selective Service system, which compiles a list of nearly all men in the U.S. between 18 and 25 in case a crisis forces the government to undertake a massive expansion of the military.

Both Congress and the Supreme Court have exempted women from registration because of the combat rules.

For years, that position has rankled some women's rights groups and men who face penalties for not registering -- including loss of employment with the federal government -- at a time when female soldiers regularly find themselves in dangerous situations in Iraq and Afghanistan, both conflicts without defined battlefields.

Mr. McCain, a decorated former Navy pilot who spent five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, speaks often of how his military service has helped prepare him for the role of commander in chief and how his time as a captive in Hanoi reinforced his love of country.

Yet he doesn't want to see a return to mandatory service, for men or women, according to his presidential campaign.

"Sen. McCain strongly believes that an all-volunteer force is preferable to a conscripted force," said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the campaign. "The tools available to recruiters have historically enabled the all-volunteer force to attract sufficient numbers of qualified recruits."

His views are echoed by many high-ranking officers in the military, who prefer a force of motivated volunteers. But some of the same officers have also expressed concerns about the strains of more than six years of sustained combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, especially if the U.S. commitment in both countries doesn't end in the near future.

Mr. Obama has said repeatedly that he will draw down the U.S. military presence in Iraq if he becomes president, but he has also said he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan, where Taliban forces have seen a resurgence in recent years.

During a CNN/YouTube debate for Democratic presidential candidates last year, he said he doesn't "agree" with the draft.

But he did say women should be expected to register with the Selective Service, comparing the role of women to black soldiers and airmen who served during World War II, when the armed forces were still segregated.

"There was a time when African-Americans weren't allowed to serve in combat," Mr. Obama said. "And yet, when they did, not only did they perform brilliantly, but what also happened is they helped to change America, and they helped to underscore that we're equal.

"And I think that if women are registered for service -- not necessarily in combat roles, and I don't agree with the draft -- I think it will help to send a message to my two daughters that they've got obligations to this great country as well as boys do."

Elaine Donnelly, a former member of President Bill Clinton's Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces, dismissed Mr. Obama's comparison of the roles of women and black soldiers, arguing that males and females, in general, aren't equal on the battlefield.

"There are differences between men and women where physical strength is an issue," said Ms. Donnelly, who heads the nonpartisan Center for Military Readiness. "There are a lot of civilian feminists who are making unreasonable demands on the military."

Nancy Duff Campbell, co-president of the National Women's Law Center, argues that women should have a chance to compete for any position in the armed forces.

"I hope a new president will revisit the restrictions," she said.

Jerome L. Sherman can be reached at jsherman@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1183.
 
 
 

Jaybone2315 (United States) 17,338 Posts. Joined 07-27-2006.
10-15-2008 1:54 PM - In reply to

bitches should of thought of this when they were fighting for equal rights.


Bawsten (United States) 4,969 Posts. Joined 05-12-2007.
10-15-2008 1:54 PM - In reply to

No def not 


tekiller 8,818 Posts. Joined 06-14-2006.
10-15-2008 1:55 PM - In reply to

equal rights should mean equal responsibility so sure why the hell not?


wild_ride (Mexico) 672 Posts. Joined 03-02-2006.
10-15-2008 1:56 PM - In reply to


I would draft jessica alba on the 1st round 


Mr Galt (United States) 4,989 Posts. Joined 11-21-2007.
10-15-2008 1:58 PM - In reply to

Any woman that can carry a 190 pound guy in combat gear can and should be eligible for the draft.  May I recommend against the SS troppers mobile infantry shower procedures for any women that fits that description.


ud2 (United States) 1,778 Posts. Joined 12-08-2006.
10-15-2008 1:58 PM - In reply to

I think there should be a time period equal to the length of the whole time men could have been drafted in which only women can be drafted.

sol160 (United States) 3,991 Posts. Joined 10-22-2005.
10-15-2008 2:00 PM - In reply to

wild_ride: 


I would draft jessica alba on the 1st round 



as would I


Niceguy (United States) 4,983 Posts. Joined 07-13-2006.
10-15-2008 2:02 PM - In reply to

Not to sound sexist but no.
Most women are not mentally stable enough or physically strong enough to be able to provide support in combat. Maybe logistical support but boots on the ground no.
No offense to any women who have served or are currently serving.

(though it is fucked up they want everything equal but would fight being eligible for the draft tooth and nail)


36crazyfists (United States) 4,398 Posts. Joined 05-26-2006.
10-15-2008 2:02 PM - In reply to

Great shower scene!


rocksockyea (United States) 977 Posts. Joined 04-25-2005.
10-15-2008 2:04 PM - In reply to

 Israel's military did a study that showed that female soldiers were much more likely to stop to help wounded soldiers, severely slowing down advances.


Does this mean women shouldn't serve in the military? Of course not.  I think women would make just as good commanders, fighter pilots, naval officers, etc., just maybe not front line infantry?


smiley69_300 (United States) 2,087 Posts. Joined 01-12-2008.
10-15-2008 2:04 PM - In reply to

Jaybone2315: 

bitches should of thought of this when they were fighting for equal rights.


I agree. They are equal to us so they deserve to be drafted too. 

El Burro (United States) 6,009 Posts. Joined 01-17-2006.
10-15-2008 2:04 PM - In reply to

#1


Mr Galt (United States) 4,989 Posts. Joined 11-21-2007.
10-15-2008 2:08 PM - In reply to

sol160: 
wild_ride: 


I would draft jessica alba on the 1st round 



as would I



I wouldn't mind finding this in my fox hole (pun intended).  ;)

jtown1010 (United States) 20,626 Posts. Joined 01-13-2006.
10-15-2008 2:08 PM - In reply to

Yeah, our military should be women only, like the guy said a few posts up, just till tehy've been the only gender in the military as long as the men were, then make that shit co-ed w/ the fags.

 
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