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If Bry has been active, I'm pushing this to isolate nilsok.  Hi-five screen when nil flips over AQ, punch it when Q spikes on the flop.

As Darkknyt said, I would defenitely shove to isolate. 

If he's active, this is a snap isolate shove. 

If he's not active, this is still a snap shove to isolate.  Dead money plus the guy can show up with AQ means arrr in and race it.

im shipping faster then britney spears losing her kids 

 Was it a Stars Special ?

Definitely no question.  Shove to isolate nil.

Andy, you forgot something....

High-five screen when nil flips over AQ, punch it when Q spikes flop, high-five again when K spikes turn, then throw monitor when Q hits river.

yeah it seems everyone says this is a shove which i thought was the right play as well...just hate shoving a flipping with 60bbs and 20 min structure :(

 here's the full HH

*********** # 362 **************
PokerStars Game #17440390534: Tournament #87745503, $300+$20 Hold'em No
Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2008/05/15 - 02:25:10 (ET)
Table '87745503 29' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bry23 (162339 in chips)
Seat 2: crzysavage (51122 in chips)
Seat 3: nilsok (36100 in chips)
Seat 4: 2monte2 (30288 in chips)
Seat 5: Warrior1958 (123378 in chips)
Seat 6: Crunk_Ninja (123339 in chips)
Seat 7: wmdbaker (109779 in chips)
Seat 8: molswi47 (75839 in chips)
Bry23: posts the ante 200
crzysavage: posts the ante 200
nilsok: posts the ante 200
2monte2: posts the ante 200
Warrior1958: posts the ante 200
Crunk_Ninja: posts the ante 200
wmdbaker: posts the ante 200
molswi47: posts the ante 200
Crunk_Ninja: posts small blind 1000
wmdbaker: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Crunk_Ninja [Ac Ks]
molswi47: folds
Bry23: raises 3600 to 5600
crzysavage: folds
nilsok: raises 30300 to 35900 and is all-in
2monte2: folds
Warrior1958: folds
Crunk_Ninja: raises 87239 to 123139 and is all-in
wmdbaker: folds
Bry23: calls 117539
*** FLOP *** [9h Jc 5h]
*** TURN *** [9h Jc 5h] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [9h Jc 5h 6c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Crunk_Ninja: shows [Ac Ks] (a pair of Nines)
Bry23: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
crzysavage said, "sick"
Bry23 collected 174478 from side pot
nilsok: shows [Jh Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Nines)
nilsok collected 111300 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 285778 Main pot 111300. Side pot 174478. | Rake 0
Board [9h Jc 5h 6c 9d]
Seat 1: Bry23 showed [Qh Qc] and won (174478) with two pair, Queens and
Nines
Seat 2: crzysavage folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nilsok showed [Jh Jd] and won (111300) with a full house, Jacks
full of Nines
Seat 4: 2monte2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Warrior1958 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Crunk_Ninja (small blind) showed [Ac Ks] and lost with a pair
of Nines
Seat 7: wmdbaker (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: molswi47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I agree on the iso. results?

I know you say Bry is active and all. But since your so deep.. Is just calling not an option? Given the structure of the tourney and all?

You can flat if you intend to call the shove from original raiser, but why do this and give him the illusion of fold equity? Get this hand heads up.

If the guy has been opening as light as he has the shover should be shipping a big range vs his open which you destroy with your hand, if you run into a big hand from original raiser, sigh, next tournament.  

He is not closing the action AFink.....flatting would be his worst option imo.

I know you guys are right cause im horrible. But to get that deep in that tourney and be that deep and basically flush it all away on a coin flip sucks. If you flat and lose your still sitting on a 45BB stack.. What is wrong with that? What range would give the original raiser to shove over you after a raise and a shove and a flat..   QQ+ correct?

yeah the only reason i questioned it so much afterwards is because we are so deep, i have 60bb, 8th/32, and 20 minute structure....does anyone out there find an argument for folding here given positions and the action and the original raiser has us covered?

my initial intinct was actually to fold because i hate these spots with AK and have been there before and had same results...obv if i win the flip im cruising to the final table.