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ICM Spot...ur play?
By JLucky34 on 05-14-2008 7:42 PM

 Knowing that the button understands the situation, what's your play and why?

 It took all my time bank to decide what was optimal here, and I will say my choice after some of you discuss.

PokerStars Game #17434551044: Tournament #88378077, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/05/14 - 20:36:00 (ET)
Table '88378077 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: JLucky34 (860 in chips)
Seat 4: juandadi (1030 in chips)
Seat 7: guy720 (6490 in chips)
Seat 9: 540 Fitter (5120 in chips)
JLucky34: posts the ante 50
juandadi: posts the ante 50
guy720: posts the ante 50
540 Fitter: posts the ante 50
JLucky34: posts small blind 300
juandadi: posts big blind 600

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JLucky34 [Ah 7h]
guy720: folds
540 Fitter: raises 600 to 1200
JLucky34: ????


 

 
 
 

Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By Gregtzky on 05-14-2008 7:45 PM

His range is wide and it looks like he's making a bubble play bullying the short stacks in the blinds.  I think this is a std. call.  I mean you fold you have 560 left and no fold equity in that you have less than a blind.

 

Call you are beating a wide variety of his range, he could wake up with a hand but A7 suited is good enough go with it.


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By mdshack14 on 05-14-2008 7:48 PM

Gotta call. Can't fold there and leave yourself with no fold equity at all. Your A,7 suited is beating a lot of what he can raise with there. If he happens to have a bigger ace or pair then so be it.  


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By Faecal Matter on 05-14-2008 7:49 PM

But bullying the blinds here is not possible cause they're commited. Assuming he's competent he would not be making this play with a huge range, still I think KT, QJ are in his range. Top three get paid? Or is this an 18-man where top 4 get paid? $15+$1 is 18-man right?


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By JLucky34 on 05-14-2008 7:50 PM

 stt so top 3 paid


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By The_matrix on 05-14-2008 7:52 PM

No OP was in a 9 man sng and this is a very difficult spot...

I think its a call tho.

Jennafear would be great with this...


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By andressoprano on 05-14-2008 7:53 PM

PU CA OC Range
CO 80.1%, 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T5o+ 92s+ 96o+ 82s+ 85o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 42s+
BU 1.4%, QQ+
SB 0.5%, AA
BB 0.5%, AA
SB 3.0%, 99+ AKs
BB 100.0%, Any two
BB 57.8%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J6o+ T6s+ T8o+ 97s+ 98o 87s
BU 80.7%, 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T5o+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 85o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 43s
SB 3.3%, 99+ AQs+
BB 99.1%, 22+ 8x+ 72s+ 73o+ 3x+
BB 60.2%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J5o+ T5s+ T7o+ 96s+ 98o 87s
SB 96.4%, 22+ 7x+ 62s+ 63o+ 52s+ 53o+ 42s+ 43o 32s
BB 100.0%, Any two

 


This is what ICM says. I think calling range for SB is kinda tight tho. Next hand you're gonna be the button, with 0 fold equity. I would close my eyes and call.


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By 3kingme3 on 05-14-2008 7:54 PM

I think this is a close fold 


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By Iplaythabored on 05-14-2008 7:57 PM

i am going to argue folding.......... i think that juanda is def committed as well, he will call with any 2, fold and watch juanda get knocked out


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By Lafaena on 05-14-2008 8:00 PM

think this is a fold, button is unlikely to be raising with bad hands, but more important is the fact that the BB is commited in this or the next hand when the SB hits him or her. Since you say that the button has a good understanding of the game, he is unlikely to be raising with many hands that you can beat, thoose would be small pairs that your flippping with weaker aces or king queen king jackish kinda hands.  mostly youd be close to flipping against kq kj kinda hands or be dominated.Think the best way to make money here is hoping that BB goes bust on this or the next hand. If BB folds here you can allways fold your button and BB would be  allin(left with 30 i think) with the SB next hand. He or she would have to go with it as she would be anted out the next hand if folded(when your in the CO and can safely fold)


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By JLucky34 on 05-14-2008 8:05 PM

by saying that he has an understanding of THIS spot, he will commit both of us with close to any 2, since it won't affect his outcome much fyi


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By Lafaena on 05-14-2008 8:14 PM

Maybe your right, but i think the stack are simply too short for the button too be fooling around here. He gonna get called too often 


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By ibluffheaps on 05-14-2008 10:07 PM

Hrrm... I agree with King on this one. It is very borderline but it looks like you allready have no FE and your opponent is going to be forced AI. Like king said its close but still a fold i think.


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By tacoman98 on 05-14-2008 10:11 PM

Clear ICM fold - IMO

Next hand: if juanda folds, he'll only have $20 and be forced all in on the next hand. Assuming 420 and Guy both limp, juanda's random hand is a dog vs. 2 random hands.

if folded 1.              2.                 3.

540       But            UTG (N/A) C    BB (N/A)

Lucky    SB (510) F   But (450) F    UTG (400)

juanda   BB (370) F   SB (20) F       But (0) Forced to play

guy       UTG           BB (N/A)         SB (N/A)


Re:ICM Spot...ur play? In reply to
By tacoman98 on 05-14-2008 10:16 PM

but i'd still call

 
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