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Hi all-
I think I have a good sense of when to shove what/where when I get short in a tourney and it's at a point where there really is no $$ effect in the moment - winning or losing either KOs me or gets me more chips but doesn't effect the bottom line either way.
However,I've been on a hell of a heater the past couple weeks and ended up at a bunch of MTT FT's. I made two of them tonight and was thinking afterwards about how you should adjust given the drastic shifts in the money (or if you should). (OK mini-brag, but necessary as preface)
In one case, it was a $44 buy in and spots were popping ~$200 or more per position from 9 up. First being around $3500 I think. The other was a $10 buyin with $1200 or so for first place so the jumps weren't as drastic.
Generally, if I'm getting to 15 or fewer BB I'll start thinking about shoving. I try and be the first one in if I don't have a uper hand but just to get a fold/ blinds and antes. I'll fold some semi-decent hands when there is a raise or two in front of me. (I'd open shove an AJ, but I'm not likely 3betting it when it's a snap call from the pot odds.) I also factor in the stack sizes and try to pay attention to whether I'd be going over the BIg stack or the shortstack, and basically the relative stack sizes and my position relative to them.
I guess what I'm asking is, under the assumption that you're playing to win, but being cognizant that 3rd pays a hell of a lot more then 9th. Does it make sense to adjust the point you'd shove at or what you'd shove? Be more patient? (Or realize that others may themselves be tighter and therefore you should gop the other way etc...)
Any thoughts would be great. Also pointers to resources on this too. And if I've said anything idiotic feel free to call it out.
I can post a couple of examples from tonight if it's helpful (both that worked or busted me....) Thanks!
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I think the one thing you left out is be careful whose blind your raising. Don't fold solely to move up imo. If you think you have an edge it should be an obv call. All the times of getting 7,8,9th place will be taken out when you get your 1 or 2 wins because of aggressive play gl.
EDIT Shouldve elaborated.....one of the most common misconceptions that I hear are ppl advocating stealing little stacks blinds. The blinds I feel I most effectively steal are ones where the players in the blinds have slightly less than me and obv rarely try and steal the overactive players blind and more often steal the nits blinds.
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Goofy-
point takien. I certainly didn't lay out everything that goes through my head. But I do avoid stealing the SS blinds, especially if it means I'd have to call the shove or be passing up huge odds with almost ATC.
I do look at a shove differently then a raise to steal though. I was at ~ 15 BB in the hijack when it was folded to me tonight and was probably around 4th of 8 IIRC. There were two massive stacks, me and another guy above avg.. and then a few puny ones. I had A8 suited and threw it in knowing that the mega stack on the button wouldn't call without at least QQ's since it would eat over half his stack, and the SB was the shortie with maybe 7 BB left, but who also wouldn't call without a hand because there were opne or two otehre guys at about his size, and moving up a spot or two would mean hundreds of bucks. Normally I wouldn't shove A8 even suited, too raggy for me, but with the ante size being huge and the stack dynamics figured it was worth a gamble. It turned out SB called with 88 and hit a set to take a chunk out of me - but that is the result. (I probably have some of the math wrong here, but that seemed like a good theft opportunity.)
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