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You should tell the guy he owes you all of the money - its his transfers that have been negated.  If someone writes you a check - and the bank says the check's account was closed because of fraud...they still owe you the money.  Let him chase the people he was associated with to get the $$ back from them.

That really sucks bro, I am sorry to hear how you are getting the shaft on this. Did they take the money straight from your account since you just had that 13K score, or do they expect you to pay them from an outside source. Either way I hope you get this back.

obv took it right out of his account

I think that PS has treated this very professionally and correctly.  Apparently, your scum roomate fraudulently got the money (maybe multiple accounts etc.) and then used some lame excuse to have the money transferred to your account in exchange for you giving him the cash.  PS now deducts the amount from your account and provides you with a full explanation.....in other words, it is your problem in trying to get the money back from the scumbag...not theirs

Go to the scumbag and have him pay you for the money you "lent" to him....plus interest and expenses for going through this mess.

BTW....what was the $150 that was credited back to you?

It's the same as buying a painting and then it is discovered that the painting was a stolen one.  Under the law, you would have the painting taken back and returned to its rightful owners, and you would be out the purchase price of the painting. 

Based on the information provided, Poker Stars has done the right thing.  They traced ill gotten gains from a scumbag who happened to transfer some of his loot to an innocent third party, the OP.  I say innocent, although, the responsibility with becoming associated with scumbag lies with OP and the responsibility for transfering funds to settle outside debts lies with the OP, so he is not a completely innocent party, although both he and the original victim are certainly victims of the scumbag thief. 

The only fair thing is to return the stolen property to the rightful owner.  Poker Stars has simply followed long standing common law that an innocent purchaser of stolen property, the OP, can acquire no rights in that property because the seller had no rights in the property to transfer. Nemo dat quod non habet.

It should be pointed out, however, that some countries like Switzerland have enacted law peculiar to art theft that allow an innocent and bona fide purchaser of stolen art work to keep it.

Willywoo:

It should be pointed out, however, that some countries like Switzerland have enacted law peculiar to art theft that allow an innocent and bona fide purchaser of stolen art work to keep it.

evry:

Willywoo:

It should be pointed out, however, that some countries like Switzerland have enacted law peculiar to art theft that allow an innocent and bona fide purchaser of stolen art work to keep it.

Very interesting.....I guess the key is that it has to be a bona fide purchaser.  Buying for less than market value would negate any presumption of "bona fide."....right?

Sorry to hear. Sounds like the guy unrivledmstr is a douchebag and f'ed you over. It sucks trusting people and getting screwed for it. I think Stars definately investigated it fully though.

Nice with though.

you have more info on this guy? 

I don't like the resolution.  Here's my opinion.  I may be wrong.

For argument's sake:

Say Jim robs a bank.  Jim gets $5000.  Jim goes to the grocery store and spends $300.  Are the police going to go to the grocery store to retreive the funds for the bank?  No.

If there was illicit activity, it is pokerstars responsibility, before they allow the transfer, to do a security check before they allow the funds to move.  Once that money is transferred to you, it's yours.  Pokerstars does not reserve the right to just take it from you.

Pokerstars should try their best to get the $$ back from unrivledmstr.  There is nothing in their terms of service that allows for money that is yours to be taken from you. 

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/

What I would do if I were Pokerstars:

- Return your funds to you
- Put something in the Terms of Service that states that if you receive funds from another player, they may be confiscated if that player was found to be cheating and the funds cannot be recovered from that player.

Jennifear:

I don't like the resolution.  Here's my opinion.  I may be wrong.

For argument's sake:

Say Jim robs a bank.  Jim gets $5000.  Jim goes to the grocery store and spends $300.  Are the police going to go to the grocery store to retreive the funds for the bank?  No.

If there was illicit activity, it is pokerstars responsibility, before they allow the transfer, to do a security check before they allow the funds to move.  Once that money is transferred to you, it's yours.  Pokerstars does not reserve the right to just take it from you.

Pokerstars should try their best to get the $$ back from unrivledmstr.  There is nothing in their terms of service that allows for money that is yours to be taken from you. 

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/

What I would do if I were Pokerstars:

- Return your funds to you
- Put something in the Terms of Service that states that if you receive funds from another player, they may be confiscated if that player was found to be cheating and the funds cannot be recovered from that player.

That makes a lot of sense ltquick.

we never exchanged PS $$ for cash, it was simply to pay for his rent at 2 houses we rented via las vegas retreats as well as sidebets that we had during the summer, IE last longers etc. the $150 i sent to his acct was the result of a last longer.
what confuses me is the timing. prior to my win in the $55 25k on sunday I had roughly 1kish on my stars account. my account was frozen about an hour after the win when I had nearly 15k in my account. did they choose this time to take action because I had the funds in my account to cover the losses? what would they have done had I not had the funds in my account to take back? would they have just put my stars acct balance at -$3650? ftr I've tried contacting unrivledmst numerous times since recieving the email and no luck. i doubt I will see a penny of this money. I just essentially freerolled his entire summer unknowingly. LIFE TILT!!!