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3 handed in step 5, top two get ticket to step 6:
PokerStars Game #20468691178: Tournament #108668708, $670+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/09/17 0:10:12 ET Table '108668708 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 2: -ispender-55 (4025 in chips) Seat 6: ucftennis12 (5870 in chips) Seat 7: TheC@T (3605 in chips) -ispender-55: posts the ante 25 ucftennis12: posts the ante 25 TheC@T: posts the ante 25 ucftennis12: posts small blind 150 TheC@T: posts big blind 300 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ucftennis12 [Ad 8s] -ispender-55: raises 3700 to 4000 and is all-in ucftennis12: ?
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You got your money in good. If you don't post the results I'm sure Jennifear or another sng expert will tell you the correct strategical play. By showing the results this looks very much like a bad beat.
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dpottz
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dpottz
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can you explain a little more thoroughly please? i understand sng strategy to a point that i should be shoving every hand cuz i have the chip lead, blah blah. but i feel like the other 2 players are even and are both playing to get in the top 2 spots so they arent gonna like just be autofolding k hi, etc even if im jus shoving every hand. maybe my reasoning is extremely flawed, im not sure. a more in depth explanatio would help, ty.
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dpottz
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ucftennis12: |   |
can you explain a little more thoroughly please? i understand sng strategy to a point that i should be shoving every hand cuz i have the chip lead, blah blah. but i feel like the other 2 players are even and are both playing to get in the top 2 spots so they arent gonna like just be autofolding k hi, etc even if im jus shoving every hand. maybe my reasoning is extremely flawed, im not sure. a more in depth explanatio would help, ty.
what exactly do you mean? no one is assuming how tight they'll be folding later. this hand, in a vacuum, is a fold because what you stand to win isn't worth the risk. even if he's shoving optimally (and i'll bet a lot of people are tighter than that), A8o is def def def def a fold
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Let's say hypothetically the stacks were all exactly even. In this case, everyone would have exactly 1/3rd equity in the prize pool. If you called and won here, you would not get 2/3rds the equity in the prize pool; instead, you would get 1/2, a gain of 1/6th. If you called and lost, you would lose 1/3rd of the prize pool. Thus, you need at least a 66% edge over an opponent's range (before correcting for pot odds) to make a call if the stacks are even. While you get a little more leeway for not losing 100% of your equity when you call, A8o is still only 60% against a random hand.
I'm too lazy to run the hard math, but if ispender is pushing 100% of hands here, this is probably close. If he's pushing 50% of hands (this includes gems like K5o and J4s), it's a fold. So unless you have a good reason to suspect this player is a complete moron, fold.
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Should you decide to fold:
| Player |
Chips |
Prob 1st |
Prob 2nd |
Prob 3rd |
Chance of a Top Two Spot |
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ispender |
4525 |
0.3352 |
0.3521 |
0.3127 |
69% |
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Hero |
5695 |
0.4219 |
0.3481 |
0.2301 |
77% |
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thecat |
3280 |
0.2430 |
0.2998 |
0.4573 |
54% |
Should you call, and win, you win a ticket (+23% compared to folding)
Should you call, and lose, your chances of getting the seat drop to 40% (-37% compared to folding):
| Player |
Chips |
Prob 1st |
Prob 2nd |
Prob 3rd |
Chance of a Top Two Spot |
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ispender |
8375 |
0.6204 |
0.2973 |
0.0823 |
92% |
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Hero |
1845 |
0.1367 |
0.2672 |
0.5961 |
40% |
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thecat |
3280 |
0.2430 |
0.4355 |
0.3215 |
68% <<<this is where your lost equity is going |
So, you risk 37% to win 23%. To break even you must win 37/60 (61.7%) of the time to counter that risk:
| Hand |
Pot equity |
Wins |
Ties |
| A8o |
59.87% |
14,693,282,100 |
754,345,548 |
| Random hand |
40.13% |
9,723,241,152 |
754,345,548 |
Even if he is shoving any two cards, this is a fold.
Hope that helps!
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stevie444: |   |
whatever he says is correct
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