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Annie,
I just listened to the pokerroad interview. (http://www.pokerroad.com/ )
where you claim this
brainwash guy has been trying to blackmail UB.
Can you explain why the big name players have cash transactions with the fraudulent accounts?
If you can comment on someone who is trying to blackmail the company you surely can comment on the evidence he provides.
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 brsavage: | |
No one is happy about the entire UB saga, least of all me since it was my home site and where I got my start.
All of that being said, the people I see being the most vocal and the rudest to Annie are people who I have sincere doubts as to whether they even have ever played a hand at Ultimate Bet.
As is always the case, all of the information is not out, so to keep taking potshots at the one person who has taken the initiative NOT to hide from anyone is childish, immature, and moreover makes you look like a fucking idiot.
Annie Duke did not steal from you, nor did the majority of people who rep UB that we are familiar with, so quit being completely rude pricks to the people who are more deeply affected by this than any of us... the people who are hiding in the shadows is who we are all pissed at, so show some class and be more respectful.
I have had about 1000 email and phone call exchanges in the last couple of months with Annie. I don't know much more than you guys as to which way is up in this whole drama, but I do know that I believe that Annie personally is not involved in any cover up or misinformation agenda.
No one should accept anything at face value, and I personally concur that more information is needed and it should be forthcoming if UB is to once and for all lay to bed all of the issues associated with the scandal.
It almost seems like there is now a new mutation of internet tough guy, and that is the now abundantly spawned wanna be internet super sleuth.
The evidence will come out, it always does. We will make good educated decisions when we have all the pieces of the puzzle. Until then, I choose not to attack the person who can give us updates and information, especially when that person is not one of the people who stole from the community, she just happens to have the most emotional investment with the company, and that itself isn't anything to be ashamed of....
In happier news, I am now back home from the tragedy that is the WSOP and my set of 3's losing to a runner runner 4 flush, and it is off to the beach and water parks with the family.
Best hidden bad beat story in forum history....
Be patient guys, we may all be caught up in the X files, but the truth is out there and it will make it's way out.
Regardless if we "have or have not" played a hand at a Tokwiro site. It will be another Blackmark for the WHOLE Online Poker Community for which we know of. Add another reason for the government to ban online gaming because they will use this case to stereotype and show how "corrupt" the poker sites are and how a 3rd party (KGC) cannot regulate them...
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DRoss
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07-11-2008 7:59 AM
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Annie, Get out of UB before it's too late!
Oh..wait...
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Annie,
THERE'S A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE!
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| fcdunkin: | |
can some1 post the link to 2+2 thread? It makes me dizzy navigating that site.
Thanx
This is a great summary from 2+2 done by another poster (not me)
This is NoLimitLeagues post (#197) in one of the locked threads with a summary:
Summary of what has happened in the last 24 hours, related to UB SuperUsers:
- Someone with a 2p2 username of brainwashdodo and no posts, claiming
to be a current UB employee who worked closely in the investigation of
NioNio and other superusers made this post on June 28th:
Quote:
I came to post today with the claim of no less than the so called
"nionio" was manufactured by the current management of the company.
Tomorrow or the day after, you will receive an extensive report from
both KGC and UB/AP, on how the company was the victim the wrongdoing of
the previous management, very similar to Annie’s statements.
I only wanted to come out now, just to say a few words before these new
founding’s and the additional refund process begins. Also to give you a
hint how the company “found” the “additional accounts and data
surrounding the unfair play”. I helped them. My posts will soon to
follow these upcoming statements, please stand by, and I see you guys
in a few days.
-The report from UB was delayed, and he made it clear he didn’t want to
leak the inside info until after the statement from UB. In the meantime
he gives us a teaser by showing us a screenshot of NioNio’s account but
doesn’t explain. 2p2ers figure out that UB wiped this info clean and
the new info is a play money account that someone probably set up as a
joke. However, I don’t think brainwashdodo realized this, as he was
trying to trace the IP address of the NioNio play money account.
-The statement from UB finally came out yesterday and stated they found
14 more superusers: Crackcorn55, GrabBag123, gravitation, Bgroup,
H_Curtis, Twenty 1, WacoManiac, Broke_In_L_A, ShaqTack, BlueBerry101,
55WasHere, Xnomas, dannyboy55, Indy05. The truth is 2p2ers found these
superusers and reported them to UB and UB is finally admitting it. They
also admit it was going on since before the new ownership took over,
the claim it started in 2005.
-Soon after this release, brainwashdodo made 2 very long posts showing
Transaction Audits for PhilHelmuth, kid55 (Freddy Deeb), and –Fred- (no
one knows who this is, a third party said they talked to Freddy, and
Freddy says this is an account used by mgmt.)
-His 2 posts also contain 4 links to screenshots of an admin site used
by UB employees. He shows the account info for kid55, mamamiya,
buckskin, and ShaqTack
-As I’m looking at ShaqTack’s screenshot I see that he had 5 different
usernames and that 3 of them were on UB’s list (ShaqTack, slimpikins2,
and broke_in_l_a) 2 of them were not on the list. (whakme and
HolyMucker) I post a question asking why they aren’t on the list,
within 5 minutes UB adds those 2 names to the list. More proof that UB
is only admitting to the superusers that we find. It is also proof that
the screenshots are real. It is also proof that brainwashdodo is really
a UB employee.
-People start looking into the screenshots. Here is what we found in the screenshots:
-ShaqTack had 5 diff usernames and was closed on Feb 7th. (Acct
disabled. Do not re-open. Any inquiries please forward to Paul/Nolan.
Email sent Tkt# 8322074. VGonzalez/sec) Here is the actual
confiscation, it looks like they confiscated $0.35 (Select Acct to
Adjust:#, Select Adj Type: Withdrawl, Select Reason for Adj: FRAUD
CONFISCATED. Adj Amt: 0.35 Notes: Balance was confiscated as per Nolan
B. VGonzalez/sec) He never played a sng or tourn, his career rake was
$4343.50 and blackjack wins of $453. Deposit Limit was LEVEL 3. His
email was given GameSetMatch123@something.com;
the name used was Dan Francis from Franklin AR, birthdate of 3-27-1957.
No phone number listed but his address was. I can’t find any info on
this person, most likely all fake info. There is a Daniel Francis pro
from Australia, but very, very unlikely it is the same person. The
account was created on 12-20-2005.
-kid55 screenshot showed that brainwashdodo blocks out his UB username
b4 he posts the screenshots, ShaqTack’s screenshot was cropped
differently and didn’t show who he was Logged In as. It shows that the
name on the acct is Kassem Deeb, gives his address, phone, dob, email,
and initial IP address. Kassem is Freddy’s real name. I later find out
that it is common knowledge that kid55 is Freddy Deeb’s main account on
UB. It was created on June 1st 2003. His deposit and transfer limit is
HIGH ROLLER. Never played a sng, tourney fees of $184 and rake revenue
of $37,825.57. Played some BJ and broke even I think. He did 143
deposits for $2,314,335 and 138 withdrawls for $3,701,016, but claims
to be a losing player on UB. Many people speculate this is because of
transfers and payments for his sponsorship deal, makes sense to me. The
ONLY thing suspicious on Freddy’s account is an amazing piece of
information. On Feb 6th, 2007, 1 day before they suspended ShaqTack’s
account, they suspended Freddy’s account (Acct disabled. Do not
re-open. Any inquiries please forward to Paul/Nolen. SAraya/ub sec, Tkt
#8313668.) As you can see, both accounts were closed with the exact
same message, word for word. It is also noted that 3 of the superuser
accts have ‘55’ in them.
-bucksin screenshot shows the acct was created on feb 11th, 2003 by
Lyle A. Berman, from Minnetonka, MN. Gives his address, phone, DOB,
email, and initial IP address. His deposit and transfer limit are HIGH
ROLLER. He has 3 deposits for $4,400 and 29 withdrawls for $555,000.
Paid $51,692 in rake, $561 in sng fees, and $114.50 in tourney fees. It
shows his acct is active with a cash balance and it shows that he was
refunded $54,520 from the NioNio investigation. It also shows that
someone typed “ty Paul, we trust you” in the comments about the refund.
Some people have taken this to mean that the message is from Lyle. It
sure looks like Lyle isn’t involved and in fact was ripped off by the
superusers. One more interesting note from this screenshot is
brainwashdodo had some other windows open, one has the info blacked
out, one is cut off and you can only make out the first three letters,
Dea. The other window says 6/1/2008 (I think he may have taken these
screenshots a month ago) and it lists 5 names and no other info, Brits
Man, -Fred-, Jack, buckskin, Fishtank.
-mamamiya screenshot shows the acct was created on July 15th, 2006 I
think, very blurry. The account name is hanan a deeb, this is most
likely a relative of Freddy’s or an alias of his, no one has confirmed
this, but some evidence linking him to this name has been found on the
internet and is in one of these threads. The address is the same as the
address on kid55’s acct. The phone # is similar but slightly different,
DOB appears to be 1972, the email address is kdeeb####@something.com.
No referrer. Deposit and Transfer Limit are HIGH ROLLER. About 26k in
rake, 97 deposits for 197k, 43 withdrawls for 166k. On July 17th, 2006
in the Admin Comments it says: “one of Freddie Deeb’s accts.” There are
a couple of windows open on the right hand side, one of them shows a
date of 3/1/xxxx and the letters REA and Dea cut off. It appears he
took this screenshot on March 1st, 2008. Someone reports that most
people had multiple accts back in the day and that it was not frowned
upon.
-People also started investigating the transaction audits, since
brainwashdodo decided not to connect any of the dots for us. It showed
that Phil, Freddy, Lyle, and Russ Hamilton were doing a lot of big
transfers between each other.
-Most importantly the info in these transaction histories showed that -Fred- made a transaction to ShaqTack for $10,000.
-It also showed that -Fred- had transactions with all the people
mentioned above and many more. Here is an incomplete list of names that
–Fred- transferred to: crosdsr, sluppy, wbchampion, HeadKase01, CUCA,
peanuto, Jack, TRIPAS2003, buzz32, Devilfish (this one seems obv, lol),
jumpshot, The bigchief, txfatman, -russh-, August17, KrazyKanuck, bad
bowler, MrJones707, B_Affil_Test2, thunderkeller, VonSmak,
whoisthisguy, Poppychullo, slug2, bmw750li, keneiniger, Treetopss, H B,
morganraiders, bigmomw, shah 2007. I am not accusing any of these names
on this list of any wrong doing. Just stating a fact.
- "-Fred-", which seems to be nothing more than a station for
distributing funds, with Russ Hamilton and perhaps others reimbursing
it. econ does some more investigating:
Quote:
The -Fred- account is highly suspicious. The transaction history
provided covers over a year (April 1, 2006-May 20, 2007). During this
time, the user played a total of three single-table sessions on two
different days. Meanwhile, $2,803,148 was transferred through the
account (in absolute value). However, the net of all of the transfers
was -$30,600 (I threw the transactions into excel). You may have
noticed that there are many transfers involving either russ hamilton or
russh that happen right around one or more transfers of equal value and
opposite sign to other players. Why wouldn't Russ just transfer the
money himself? The same is true to a lesser extent of player peanuto.
-It also showed kid55 having an amazing stretch of 13-27 minute ring
game sessions where he had an outrageous winrate. But it also shows a
few losing sessions too. Overall I believe that there is evidence that
shows kid55 is a losing player on UB.
-The PhilHelmuth Transaction Audit doesn’t show much. It shows him
getting beat pretty bad at a few ring games, shows he plays a lot of
black jack tourneys, and a few sngs. It also showed that he was
refunded $880 from the NioNio scandal. And it shows a bunch of
transfers with the above mentioned accounts.
I’m sure I forgot a lot or screwed up some of the info. Flame away.
/end NoLimit's post
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UB, much like AP, knows that there will be no consequences to their actions. We allow them this by not boycotting their sites, and I don't see any class action lawsuits in the making with the online poker community vs UB/AP.
They will spout their corporate doubletalk until this most recent scandal has faded in our memories, then it will be business as usual for them. Their business seems to be cheating their customers, and business is booming.
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DAWS
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07-11-2008 10:08 AM
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why isn't Lederer taking this opportunity to have his sister come to FT? I mean it seems to make too much sense... besides being brother/sister it would give the appearance of Annie leaving the corrupt UB to come to the legit FT, right? am I missing something here?
An why is she not with FT anyway. I would bust my sister up if she wasn't on my site
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| annie duke: | |
I find it interesting that the assumption is that because I did not respond to EDub imediately that I was dodging the issue rather than that I was out hiking with my children, which is in fact the case.
At any rate, I will say it again, the management at UB is a new one. As for the stuff being posted on 2+2 I should let UB respond to that not me since I am not a spokesman on this issue and have no interest in being one. That being said, I have no idea how anyone thinks anything on 2+2 implicates the new management. I have read through it and as far as I can see no one in current or recent management at UB is even mentioned there.
Annie
You're smarter then this and know that the above statement is complete bullshit. All of the evidence in that 2+2 thread clearly indicates that there are others that should be implicated in the scandal that UB is still covering up. If they are still covering it up then how can it be "old management"? The fact is "new management" is still trying to brush as much of this under the rug as they can.
The only things that are being brought out in this by UB are what 2+2 brings to everyone's attention.
UB can smd, lmb, gtfo, diagf, etc, etc. What a fucking joke.
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| DAWS: | |
why isn't Lederer taking this opportunity to have his sister come to FT? I mean it seems to make too much sense... besides being brother/sister it would give the appearance of Annie leaving the corrupt UB to come to the legit FT, right? am I missing something here?
An why is she not with FT anyway. I would bust my sister up if she wasn't on my site
Can you think of any reasons why she wouldn't want to leave UB?
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I'm not happy with Annie Duke and the way she answers a lot of questions. Especially when she tries to throw other sites under the bus, and comparing what happened at UB to people that cheated the stock market.
Atleast she's out there trying to answer questions. We have not heard a word from Phil Helmuth about any of this. In fact he acts like nothings happened and makes a grand entrance into the wsop to promote UB. Can anybody explain why he's been so quit?
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Bond18, I think its time you entertain us with a nice play on brainwashdo guy and the main Annie Duke's Poker Radio P5 post. Thanks.
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i sec that! Bond18 its time you know you gotta do it!!!!
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I couldnt help myself here....about some comments in the interview....
Annie says that it was previous management and this new mgmt just made a mistake in their due diligence from the purchase in '06. What was the management team that was involved in the purchase...I certainly would like to know their backgrounds since it seems that they were purchasing a fraudalent internet company and had no internet security expert on the board to run some code test and check out the accountability of the software???? that is absurd.
I personally have been involved in 3 IT company startups being bought and everytime security experts were involved iin the process. PERIOD!!!
how come this did not occur?
Paul may be a nice guy but he obv is incompentent to run a company due to the fact of just not recognizing you need to get an expert to thoroughly go through the network and SW.
He should not be a CEO because of this fact.
peace
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| Pikesean23: | |
UB= New Management, Same Crap....Annie why would you even choose to respond if you have nothing valuable to say? Honestly everything you say is just a failed PR attempt that makes your company look worse and worse...Why not say something worthwhile regarding the case rather then beating around the bush for the questions we in the poker community want to hear? Its hurt your reputation a lot more responding and sticking up for these crooks then it does help save it. Youve worked for UB for quite some time and have some vested interests within the company. Obv you have to have some knowledge of something going on within the management. To be so naive and to think we are going to believe some of the stuff you spew out is ridiculous.
If Brainwash tried to blackmail UB, then it sounds like he had some serious dirt on them. Which came came to light in the 2+2 thread. If everyone at UB is actively monitoring the thread at 2+2 why don't they come out and say something? (Jack Bates did) Rather then have the watchdog community (2+2) have to uncover all the facts that your company cannot or your company choose not to. Many of us are sick of the PR crap that comes out. New Management, No knowledge, New tourney schedule, UB has good people in place. You find more superusers by the day. We want names of these people not online aliases. IF 2+2 can uncover so much with limited resources how can you possibly think that we as people are so naiive to think you/UB have no clue about whats gone on. Come clean about the crimes committed previously or the ships sinks. We want pros names, superuser names the works. Why not involve interpol in the operation, after all it is international fraud/Money laundering and a whole list of other crimes they'd be interested. Or is Haim going to get the AJ Green treatment...
^^^^^^^^cosigned/infinity
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SJCX
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07-13-2008 9:14 AM
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Looks like Brsavage was right, all the info hadn't come out yet. Looks like its 100 times worse than anyone knew.
He was also right about some people looking like "fucking idiots", he was just wrong about who they were or would be.
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Cortz
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07-13-2008 9:41 AM
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u all pick on annie for obv reasons...but i guess thats why the great johnnybax joined UB! Nobody says anything about that shiz
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