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So this took place on 6-10-2007:
I was railing a buddy of mine and chatting with him on AIM one sunday evening as he was getting deep in the full tilt poker 215 buy in 400k guaranteed tournament. He was playing extrordinary and was poised to make a deep run. At this point in time, i believe there were approximately 3-4 tables left so somewhere in the 27-36 players range. If i recall correctly, my buddy had a top 5 stack, and possibly even top 3. This was some time ago, so forgive me but a few of the details may be a bit foggy. Let it be known that my buddy was not staked in this tournament by the player in question so the overwhelming comment of people taking over their stakee's accounts is a null and void point. Out of nowhere around this point of the tournament, SpanishKey, also known here on P5's as Aaron Been came on the rail asking my buddy if he had AIM. My buddy didn't respond. SpanishKey was persistant, and after a few attempts at asking him if he had AIM, my buddy finally responded something along the lines of "no, but PM me on P5s if you want to talk." I was pretty interested to see what was so urgent, and i was happy that my buddy was filling me in. Aaron Been on the PM in a nutshell asked my buddy for an undisclosed amount of money (meaning i didnt ask how much he offered) to purchase his account for the rest of the tournament. My buddy on AIM was like, WTF, and basically took this as a slap in the face. My friend was a ranked player at that time, and was fully confident in his skills to take the tournament down on his own, and felt like he would be giving up alot of equity to sell off his account. He denied Mr. Been the invitation and went on to final table this tournment for a very nice 5 figure score.
I guess my point of this is a couple of things. It is very naive to think that this is only going on amongst a few players. This issue may be WAAAAAAAAY more widespread than we think. This is just one example of an attempted cheat attempt gone wrong. Now, I am not positive that it was Aaron Been (SpanishKey) that was gonna take the account over, or one of his close associates, but i am 100% positive that he had entered this tournament himself as there is a record of it in the Pokerdb in which Aaron finished in 2735/2765. I am also 100% positive that it was the SpanishKey account soliciting my friend, and I am sure if Pocket Fives holds PM records that this message was sent and recieved by my friend.
I will/would be very curious to see if Aaron Been comes here to respond to this, and maybe clear the air as to what exactly was going on that day. There is no excuse on this one that he was trying to help him through some "sticky situations." This was an outright attempt to purchase someone's account. I guess I am not savvy on all the rules and technicallities of the online poker sites, but this has to be not tollerated, and i commend my buddy and give him mad props to deny this attempt and play the tournament on his own, and give him alot of credit for placing highly in a sunday major final table out of almost 3000 players.
MJ P.I.
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Wow, just when I thought the JJ issue was wore out, now another one in question. ROH ROW!
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Sigh. 1,2,3, here come the standard rationalization justification posts, followed closely by the your horrible at poker and I'm brilliant cuz my friends all say so therefore I am above the rules and ethics be damned posts...
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buying accounts isnt illegal
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buying an account which is in a tournament you have already played is illegal.
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gbmantis's post in an earlier thread.
Players I've backed in the past: Aaronbeen, PBdrunks, JJprodigy, Stealthmunk, Jordan Morgan, Aaron Bartley, Brainwash, aaaaaaaaaaa, I_blade_u, among many others.
Aaronbeen has been backed by gbmantis who is backed by JJ, and no doubt is hip to the ways of JJProdigy and the whole buyin out accounts thing, who knows but this group is losing my respect quicker and quicker, but yeah they're not breaking the law, like that makes it any less shady.
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i've noticed the same pattern. Funny how when br says cheating is cheating, the replies usually have something to do with his playing ability, and if he sucks, then 99.5% of the poker playing population worse than sucks
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Ok guys about a million people linked me to this anyway I recognized a guy I knew from Stars/UB was deep in some big tournament and wanted a % of the action so I talked to him and he wasn't interested in selling or ghosting or anything so I just said GL. I'll come right out and say I've been on the phone with people in the Stars million before.
After Jeff took over that guy's Stars Million it's always seemed like a good idea to me. I've also had people over playing at my house every weekend since I moved to Vegas and I've traded anywhere from 5% to 50% and sat behind them to give advice. We've had a few big scores and I think debating who made the final decision ala plattsburgh is sort of pointless. I also played the last few tables of a tournament for one of the most popular posters here before we all went out to a club.
I've lived in apartments and hotels with Poker players for several years and PokerStars will verify that I've always sent in my IDs and I've never had multiple accounts. So the Chris Savage moral police can call me a cheater all they want but you're not going to see any of my accounts closed because I haven't broken any rules. I will continue to have no moral objection to buying others action or selling my advice (or even selling my action or buying advice) as long as sites continue to allow it and I think they should continue to allow it because as Lee Jones said, unenforceable rules are not a good idea.
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I was in a satellite on UB for a 17K paris package paying only first place. I was crusing through the tournament with the CL throughout when we got to the final talbe. There was a player I hadnt heard of on my left who seriously all of a sudden was playing extremely well. Anyways my cakewalk turned into a huge battle that ultimately ended with me losing HU to this player. Not 5 minutes later I get an AIM from a top ranked player who I considered my friend. he says guess who just won the paris package? ANyways he goes on to tell me that he took over for a friend at the final table. I was couldnt belive what I was hearing. Not only did this guy pull this shit, but had the audicity to rub a 17k bubble in my face not 5 minutes later. Like he was just too proud of himself to not let someone know.
I was more just pissed at that point, but now I realize I was cheated out of alot of equity.
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^^^under the rules this is legal to purchase and play another acccount even though u busted your own account earlier?
Maybe i am not saaavy to the rules but to my understanding, you were not trying to buy "a piece of the action" unless by a "piece" u meant his whole account, FWIW
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did you save the AIM logs to send to UB? that's a real douchebag thing to do to a "friend",
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aaron i am 22/37 in a 4.40 180 and for the measly price of 10 dollars you can get 25% AND coach me to the win, please pm me
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mattg - that's gross, I am really getting worried about this, b/c players seem to think buying out players account is alright, and maybe it is, but are the days coming where every person at the final table is a bought out stack and now a top online pro playing, b/c I know some people are being moral about this, but guranteed some people aren't posting shit and sayin "if you can't beat em, join em" and it's a concern. Really glad I make most of my poker income from cash games, you don't have to worry about getting to the flop after a pre flop raise, and having the SB calling JJ and askin what to do lol.
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