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So this took place on 6-10-2007:
I was railing a buddy of mine and chatting with him on AIM one sunday evening as he was getting deep in the full tilt poker 215 buy in 400k guaranteed tournament. He was playing extrordinary and was poised to make a deep run. At this point in time, i believe there were approximately 3-4 tables left so somewhere in the 27-36 players range. If i recall correctly, my buddy had a top 5 stack, and possibly even top 3. This was some time ago, so forgive me but a few of the details may be a bit foggy. Let it be known that my buddy was not staked in this tournament by the player in question so the overwhelming comment of people taking over their stakee's accounts is a null and void point. Out of nowhere around this point of the tournament, SpanishKey, also known here on P5's as Aaron Been came on the rail asking my buddy if he had AIM. My buddy didn't respond. SpanishKey was persistant, and after a few attempts at asking him if he had AIM, my buddy finally responded something along the lines of "no, but PM me on P5s if you want to talk." I was pretty interested to see what was so urgent, and i was happy that my buddy was filling me in. Aaron Been on the PM in a nutshell asked my buddy for an undisclosed amount of money (meaning i didnt ask how much he offered) to purchase his account for the rest of the tournament. My buddy on AIM was like, WTF, and basically took this as a slap in the face. My friend was a ranked player at that time, and was fully confident in his skills to take the tournament down on his own, and felt like he would be giving up alot of equity to sell off his account. He denied Mr. Been the invitation and went on to final table this tournment for a very nice 5 figure score.
I guess my point of this is a couple of things. It is very naive to think that this is only going on amongst a few players. This issue may be WAAAAAAAAY more widespread than we think. This is just one example of an attempted cheat attempt gone wrong. Now, I am not positive that it was Aaron Been (SpanishKey) that was gonna take the account over, or one of his close associates, but i am 100% positive that he had entered this tournament himself as there is a record of it in the Pokerdb in which Aaron finished in 2735/2765. I am also 100% positive that it was the SpanishKey account soliciting my friend, and I am sure if Pocket Fives holds PM records that this message was sent and recieved by my friend.
I will/would be very curious to see if Aaron Been comes here to respond to this, and maybe clear the air as to what exactly was going on that day. There is no excuse on this one that he was trying to help him through some "sticky situations." This was an outright attempt to purchase someone's account. I guess I am not savvy on all the rules and technicallities of the online poker sites, but this has to be not tollerated, and i commend my buddy and give him mad props to deny this attempt and play the tournament on his own, and give him alot of credit for placing highly in a sunday major final table out of almost 3000 players.
MJ P.I.
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I will continue to have no moral objection to buying others action or selling my advice (or even selling my action or buying advice) as long as sites continue to allow it and I think they should continue to allow it because as Lee Jones said, unenforceable rules are not a good idea.
All I want to know is who are the players that are dumb enough to buy advice from aaronbeen? You have got to be kidding me.
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Thats not how it works though, lol.... And thats not how this situation happened.
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I think this is an excellent point you make Geek. I would like for everyone ease back to page 1 of this topic and at least glance at a lengthy post (a response to Waco) that examines how this practice of buying accounts might affect the players that are not doing it. I know I would play differently against players which I knew I could buy their seat from vs. players I couldn't if in fact I was good enough or corrupt enough to do it.
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I would like for it to be fair too... I dont condone any of these types of activities and never will... your first few sentences are off base as I never said this was right or defended anyone in any way, simply stated a few facts... here is another one, I despise cheaters
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keith, maybe he could teach you how to close a tourny?? maybe recapture that glory that happened on the 29th of november, 2006. maybe.
| koolkeith13 |
11/29/2006 |
PokerStars |
$109 |
1st |
$9,250 |
96.18 |
| koolkeith13 |
7/16/2007 |
FullTiltPoker |
$50 |
2nd |
$4,369 |
105.77 |
| koolkeith13 |
6/13/2007 |
PokerStars |
$109 |
2nd |
$12,100 |
162.28 |
| koolkeith13 |
7/29/2007 |
FullTiltPoker |
$200 |
2nd |
$22,500 |
255.53 |
| koolkeith13 |
5/17/2007 |
PokerStars |
$109 |
2nd |
$12,580 |
124.10 |
| koolkeith13 |
6/11/2007 |
FullTiltPoker |
$1000 |
2nd |
$38,940 |
320.51 |
| aaronbeen |
7/30/2007 |
FullTiltPoker |
$20 |
1st |
$3,143 |
107.89 |
| aaronbeen |
3/5/2007 |
UltimateBet |
$33 |
1st |
$4,050 |
91.85 |
| aaronbeen |
2/1/2007 |
PokerStars |
$109 |
1st |
$23,700 |
140.54 |
| aaronbeen |
7/15/2007 |
UltimateBet |
$109 |
1st |
$3,105 |
107.24 |
| aaronbeen |
8/2/2007 |
UltimateBet |
$215 |
1st |
$6,858 |
159.37 |
| aaronbeen |
1/25/2007 |
UltimateBet |
$33 |
1st |
$4,390 |
63.76 |
| aaronbeen |
2/21/2007 |
PokerStars |
$320 |
1st |
$42,950 |
329.15 |
| aaronbeen |
8/1/2007 |
AbsolutePoker |
$1050 |
1st |
$31,500 |
324.04 |
| aaronbeen |
12/7/2006 |
PokerStars |
$109 |
1st |
$8,375 |
91.52 |
| aaronbeen |
10/3/2006 |
UltimateBet |
$109 |
1st |
$5,850 |
37.50 |
| aaronbeen |
1/20/2007 |
UltimateBet |
$109 |
1st |
$3,375 |
55.90 |
| aaronbeen |
2/26/2007 |
UltimateBet |
$33 |
1st |
$4,755 |
99.53 |
| aaronbeen |
8/10/2007 |
PokerStars |
$109 |
1st |
$27,150 |
300.83 |
| aaronbeen |
6/6/2007 |
FullTiltPoker |
$150 |
1st |
$15,600 |
249.80 |
| aaronbeen |
6/4/2007 |
PokerStars |
$55 |
1st |
$14,498 |
230.87 |
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If you know you would play differently that makes you a scumbag(or someone who softplays), and kinda dumb - make the best play all the time. According to this logic backers would softplay backees - they dont from what I've seen. Are you also argueing that backing is unethical from this standpoint?
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Maybe you should say maybe more
And maybe poker is alittle harder when you enter just 1 account into each tournament.
Maybe
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Wouldn't this be like walking up to some rando internet donkey who managed to get deep in the WSOP main event and saying, "hey, I'll give you 120K and I'll take over now. Thanks."
Something tells me that wouldn't be allowed. Just a thought.
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what about if some1 did this in multiple times in same tourney would some of u who think its ok change ur mind?
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