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So this took place on 6-10-2007:
I was railing a buddy of mine and chatting with him on AIM one sunday evening as he was getting deep in the full tilt poker 215 buy in 400k guaranteed tournament. He was playing extrordinary and was poised to make a deep run. At this point in time, i believe there were approximately 3-4 tables left so somewhere in the 27-36 players range. If i recall correctly, my buddy had a top 5 stack, and possibly even top 3. This was some time ago, so forgive me but a few of the details may be a bit foggy. Let it be known that my buddy was not staked in this tournament by the player in question so the overwhelming comment of people taking over their stakee's accounts is a null and void point. Out of nowhere around this point of the tournament, SpanishKey, also known here on P5's as Aaron Been came on the rail asking my buddy if he had AIM. My buddy didn't respond. SpanishKey was persistant, and after a few attempts at asking him if he had AIM, my buddy finally responded something along the lines of "no, but PM me on P5s if you want to talk." I was pretty interested to see what was so urgent, and i was happy that my buddy was filling me in. Aaron Been on the PM in a nutshell asked my buddy for an undisclosed amount of money (meaning i didnt ask how much he offered) to purchase his account for the rest of the tournament. My buddy on AIM was like, WTF, and basically took this as a slap in the face. My friend was a ranked player at that time, and was fully confident in his skills to take the tournament down on his own, and felt like he would be giving up alot of equity to sell off his account. He denied Mr. Been the invitation and went on to final table this tournment for a very nice 5 figure score.
I guess my point of this is a couple of things. It is very naive to think that this is only going on amongst a few players. This issue may be WAAAAAAAAY more widespread than we think. This is just one example of an attempted cheat attempt gone wrong. Now, I am not positive that it was Aaron Been (SpanishKey) that was gonna take the account over, or one of his close associates, but i am 100% positive that he had entered this tournament himself as there is a record of it in the Pokerdb in which Aaron finished in 2735/2765. I am also 100% positive that it was the SpanishKey account soliciting my friend, and I am sure if Pocket Fives holds PM records that this message was sent and recieved by my friend.
I will/would be very curious to see if Aaron Been comes here to respond to this, and maybe clear the air as to what exactly was going on that day. There is no excuse on this one that he was trying to help him through some "sticky situations." This was an outright attempt to purchase someone's account. I guess I am not savvy on all the rules and technicallities of the online poker sites, but this has to be not tollerated, and i commend my buddy and give him mad props to deny this attempt and play the tournament on his own, and give him alot of credit for placing highly in a sunday major final table out of almost 3000 players.
MJ P.I.
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".......18% of my foot in your ass!"........Instant classic!
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"I will continue to have no moral objection to buying others action or selling my advice (or even selling my action or buying advice)."
AaronBeen... joo sir are a cheat.
It's kind of comical watching these punks run amok online, and I guarantee you they are giggling and rofl at these forum comments calling them out for ethics.
What goes around, comes around... and it will when they fuck over the wrong person... such as me. See the movie "Casino". Not a threat, a promise.
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I just really hope some of the smaller and middle stakes tourney players start to read this and stop playing in these big buy-in tournies on the net...Then all you fuckers can play 12 different accounts, buy 13 others and play against the same tough competition week in and week out...
I can't believe you all are fucking stupid enough to think that this isn't bad business in the long run...Once the fish dry up then you guys are FUCKED!! And I can't wait until it happens...
I understand that most all poker players have big egos and that's fine, but when you let your ego get in the way of doing what's smart in the long run then you're just a retard...If you don't believe me you may want to give some guys in Houston, Texas a call who used to work for Enron...
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1. if you have been in the tourny YES
2. if you have not been in the tourny, and you make a business prop with a person to buy the account and play it, AND the site has no rules against it, AND when you take over the count there is "full disclosure" (the poker room announcer: a deal was struck between player XX in seat 7 and another player named XXXX on this site is now taking over)
PERHAPS then there would be no claims to cheating etc... and, for the matter, how could FULL disclosure be enforced?
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OUGHT the sites all have specific rules AGAINST ghosting, "help" buying accounts when in mtts? YES they should and the rules should state NO (IMHO).
enforcing these rules? not sure--but, for instance, in ten years:
when you log into your account you MUST go the the "facial recognition software log-in page" to log in (or a thumb print scan...) and then AS you play your account, periodically, you will be asked to verify who you are (does nto limit advice, but does make it a bit tricker I guess).
ALSO: all people that make FT with a prize pool of over 20K (100K, whatever) would have to go through some kind of security proceedure (e.g. submit their comp to a search for collusion, AIM, something like that...?)
good cheaters will almost always get away with it, but no harm in making it very difficult.
--tc
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Aaron Been is not in that crowd... and ranked players dont "work together" I know almost all of them and could only name a few I would suspect of collusion or multi accounting of any kind...
STOP BLOWING THIS SHIT OUT OF PROPORTION
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Nova, settle down JR lol.
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I wasn't talking about JJ's crowd but maybe it wasn't the crowd I'm thinking of either | |
shit gets deeper, how many 'crowds' are we talking about here? Fucking scumbags............
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rdog
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08-18-2007 3:50 PM
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Wow Aaron are you serious? Explain to me how it is any different having multiple accounts and buying an account deep in a tourney that YOUR account already busted out of? I mean, really, come on, you think we are so stupid to believe that you are so clueless on the subject?
This shit that this whole group is spewing is ridiculous.
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I would just hate to be aaron been, or mantis, or YTIU or whomever at the WSOP, etc. You know sure as shit that there's some crazy mf that's going to get a group together, and fucking skull these motherfuckers. I don't condone that in any way, but when it happens, it won't be a surprise at all.
They don't understand that just because it's unenforceable doesn't mean it isn't wrong.
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Cheating in this game is horrible no doubt, wouldn't condone it for a nanosecond, BUT...
It is highly annoying when people make REALLY bad business decisions...
And that is what this is, a REALLY bad business decision...I mean I've never played in a Sunday Million before because I don't really play Hold 'Em, but I was gonna give a satelitte a shot because I've been running great in cash games over the past year...But now are you kidding? Thing is these guys would be favored over low stakes guys and guys like me who don't really play a lot of hold 'em...But they hadda be greedy and fuck it up...Once people like me stop participating in high buy in tournies these guys might just as well take up cash games...
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how can you be so sure? the more i hear about this the more inclined i become to believe their all cheating...i don't play tournaments and i'm glad i don't, but if i did i would make it clear to the site i wouldn't play any more until this mess is cleared up...that's the only way this is gonna be fixed!!
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well i don't know them i as of now i don't trust anyone...
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so are you going to accuse the live poker "crowds" of collusion to? ppl arent allowed to be backed and have a circle of friends they turn to for support/advice?
the crowds being referred to here are like timex and his horses, and bax and sheets and their group... these arent groups of players who get together to cheat...
JJ's crowd is very shady tho, no doubt about it... but I know well over a hundred online pros and only know of a few who are supsected of cheating in some way...
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