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Congrats man!! Well deserved, and overdue.
Wes
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Ya your missing what PFX has done for the Subs.
I was 20-40% +ROI MTT Player
Since Sub to PFX I'm a +300% MTT Player.
Thanks again BAX
He has help alot of people increase there bankroll. By big numbers. That why all the love.
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ya so what? He didnt do it for love, he was getting paid. Im looking for a reason why hes such a classy, ambassador as he is referred to here.
Btw should an ambassador of online poker tell people to get aids at the tables?
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ya i dont understand the love for bax either? Is it just the usual sheep of p5's nuthugging top players?
how does a guy who's been here about two weeks know what the usual is for any of the pocketfives users?
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Did you make an account just to give grief to Bax and UB here, and why don't you know your gender?
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^^^^^^^^
"and why don't you know your gender?"
I literally lol'd.
I have no problem with people being anti-Bax signing with UB, it's fairly easy to understand that.
What I can't comprehend is all the hatred and negativity directed at Bax from people who have barely participated in the community and it's as if they just completely blow off legitimate reasons as to why Bax would sign.
It's like they want/need to believe he is a crook, scumbag, etc., when all he has ever done, with anyone who knows him or has dealt with him is to be a man of honor... aren't these the kind of people we want getting involved with UB instead of the people from the past that we couldn't trust?
Everyone thanked Nat for getting involved in deciphering the scandal, but now it's a crime for Bax to try and help UB move forward from the inside out?
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Congrads Bax, now you will really crush the fields once they add you to there superuser list UB= Crock
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it's as if they just completely blow off legitimate reasons as to why Bax would sign.
Aren't these the kind of people we want getting involved with UB instead of the people from the past that we couldn't trust?
...... Bax (will) try and help UB move forward from the inside out?
Im call you out on this BR! You have to defend these statements. There are a large percentage of us average joes out here with a strong sense of fairness that thinks this stinks on ice! That Bax who up this this point has been positive contribution to the poker community would join UB/AP would join the side of the bad guys to help them move forward.
Why is this organization worth saving? OK BAX is rich, I get that. I hear you say hes a man of high integrity, fair enough. Why should anyone trust these guys. There are so many other poker choices, why risk another massive ripoff. Offering the ownership and management the benefit of the doubt is simply lowering the standards bar. Stating essentially we pocket5rs dont demand the highest quality management and security to protect our money and 100% assureance us we are not being cheated!
What Nate found was a fluke and who knows the entire extent of the crimes committed? Who's to say every tech over there wasnt supplementing his personal bank account a few hundred a week in small games? These companies work in a void and UB/AP is based in a banana republic in central america. The more legit sites are in Isle of Man. Why should we be sympathetic to ANYONE would would help these guys. We are being asked to take these guys at their word that a full disclosure has been provided and the software has been changed. Who outside UB/AP certified this? (Answer:No one) I firmly believe that AP/UB should just go away and be replaced by some one else. Anyone who wants to be a spokes mouth for these guys in any form deserves the ire of anyone with ANY sense of fair play.
Once again lets say BAX is the freaking POPE. So what. Is he a programmer? Has he been given some authority to certify something has changed? Does he have some special access that he can quanitfy? Does he have the right to pursue a course of action should he find something amiss in the future? Has he been given an ownership stake that we dont know of? Has he been signed to a contract where he has a hand in management?
I am guessing the answer to all this is no. Hes getting a check to play poker and talk nice about UB.
Defend your position or shut up and let us try to kill UB/AP!
Their OWNERSHIP must reliquish their stake for being crooks and current management abolished for incompetence! Anything less is settling. Then maybe, just maybe they get the benefit of the doubt....maybe.
Edit: I said "Who outside UB/AP certified this? (Answer:No one)" above. I just read the full UB statement and its Gaming Associates. I have an insider friend in the gaming andustry who works for a company on their client list, and will find out more and post later.
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Lol, at least I appreciate you arguing in a gentleman's way instead of being rude.
Several things:
You would be amazed if you really knew what the operations base of some of the sites actually looked like, and that includes UB. Many operate out of very moderate setups, and that includes Tilt, UB, and many others. Remember, they operate out of low cost environments like Costa Rica for a reason, because they pay pennies on the dollar compared to if they were located elsewhere.
Also, where their business operations are is seperate from where the gaming client is located, on the servers in Canada.
You seem overtly confident that someone will just jump up and replace UB, which is not my point of view at all. If, in the midst of all of this adversity no one has jumped in and gained market share, then I doubt with UB gone this would have any better chance of happening.
All of the fringe sites like cake, carbon, etc, etc, they have no chance of being what UB can... now, ask yourself, truly, do you believe that the online poker world is better off with just Tilt and Stars as main forces, or do we all as players get a better value if there is more competition in the marketplace?
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OMG BRsavage please stop defending this POS site. I understand you coming to defend your friend Bax but this is way beyond that. You sound like you are the one who was hired by them. Please, just stop, please.
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Dan,
Clearly I would not sign a deal unless I felt the problem was being addressed appropriately.
Bax
obv ^^^^^ ...and congrats JB
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Mrs. Sheets FTW!!! She does know best! Too bad Mrs. Bax didn't feel the same way!
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It is pretty obvious these people are your friends as you have defended them time and time again. We get it. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself...is it really worth it?
I think we are better off with more choices, however I can not and will not allow myself to put money on UB. I know the business world and how it works and UB is simply not a good business move at the moment.
I am shocked at your move Bax, but I am sure you have good reason. I have to say I really wish Mrs. Bax would have done what Mrs. Sheets did and say "no". GL to you sir I think you are going to need it.
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