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so i've been through this situation many times. i always have trouble folding pot odds like this, but i never know if it's worth the possible jump in payscale. cliffnotes of hand history: I have 2.2k, i'm the big blind, blinds are 1k/2k. the button shoves to isolate me, but the small blind has a good enough hand to call him. should i fold the 2-7, in case the small blind eliminates the button, or should i just call getting insane pot odds?
PokerStars Game #22484368279: Tournament #123848244, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2008/11/29 22:09:51 ET
Table '123848244 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: leftygrovev2 (2310 in chips)
Seat 3: 1234hnic (22600 in chips)
Seat 5: Mik34763476 (8540 in chips)
Seat 6: DP388 (15600 in chips)
Seat 7: redmancfan (9570 in chips)
Seat 9: familyjules2 (8880 in chips)
leftygrovev2: posts the ante 100
1234hnic: posts the ante 100
Mik34763476: posts the ante 100
DP388: posts the ante 100
redmancfan: posts the ante 100
familyjules2: posts the ante 100
familyjules2: posts small blind 1000
leftygrovev2: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to leftygrovev2 [2c 7h]
1234hnic: folds
Mik34763476: folds
DP388: folds
redmancfan: raises 7470 to 9470 and is all-in
familyjules2: calls 7780 and is all-in
leftygrovev2:???
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sb cannot eliminate the btn. as far as the hand goes I don't play sngs often, but I would assume its a call.
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giving the orriginal raiser a wider range and the caller 10% of less range your 2 7 still has around 14% equity in the pot so i would assume you have to call
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I did this problem like a SnG since you are basically playing for your tournament life. | Player | Stack | Push% | EQPre | EQPost | EQDiff |
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| UTG | 22600.0 | 29.7% | 0.2472 | 0.2492 | 0.00205 | | UTG+1 | 8540.0 | 17.9% | 0.1391 | 0.1423 | 0.00318 | | CO | 15600.0 | 32.1% | 0.2055 | 0.2081 | 0.0026 | | BU | 9570.0 | 43.0% | 0.1513 | 0.1545 | 0.0032 | | SB | 8880.0 | 100.0% | 0.1432 | 0.1363 | -0.00696 | | BB | 2310.0 |
| 0.0437 | 0.0396 | -0.00406 |
Explanation:
- Stack: Players stack before posting blinds.
- Push%: Percentage of hands a player open-pushes.
- EQPre: ICM equity before blinds.
- EQPost: ICM equity after hand.
- EQDiff: ICM equity change during hand.
| PU | CA | OC | Range |
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| UTG |
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| 29.7%, 22+ A2s+ A4o+ K6s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 97s+ 87s |
| UTG+1 |
| 2.1%, JJ+ AKs |
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| CO | 0.9%, KK+ |
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| BU | 0.9%, KK+ |
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| SB | 0.9%, KK+ |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| CO |
| 1.4%, QQ+ |
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| BU | 0.5%, AA |
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| SB | 0.5%, AA |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| BU |
| 1.8%, JJ+ |
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| SB | 0.5%, AA |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| SB |
| 5.4%, 99+ AJs+ AQo+ |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| BB |
| 100.0%, Any two | | UTG+1 |
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| 17.9%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s |
| CO |
| 4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo |
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| BU | 0.5%, AA |
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| SB | 0.5%, AA |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| BU |
| 3.5%, TT+ AKs AKo |
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| SB | 0.5%, AA |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| SB |
| 5.1%, 99+ AQs+ AQo+ |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| BB |
| 100.0%, Any two | | CO |
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| 32.1%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 87s 76s |
| BU |
| 1.8%, JJ+ |
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| SB | 0.9%, KK+ |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| SB |
| 5.4%, 99+ AJs+ AQo+ |
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two |
| BB |
| 100.0%, Any two | | BU |
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| 43.0%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K7o+ Q5s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 98o 85s+ 75s+ 65s 54s<<< The FTA button could be pushing a wide range here.
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| SB |
| 8.7%, 77+ A9s+ ATo+<<< He should have you crushed but you don't have much to lose.
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| BB | 100.0%, Any two <<< Since you are so short, you have no equity in folding, unless the next payout amount is significant to your bank roll. You didn't say what the pay jump was?
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| BB |
| 100.0%, Any two | | SB |
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| 100.0%, Any two |
| BB |
| 100.0%, Any two |
You're between the proverbal rock and a hard place. If you've been playing tight to climb the pay scale, you have run out of room to fold.
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I would have to think that the only way you can fold here is if you are on the money bubble exactly and you are willing to take the chance that the guy gets knocked out giving you last place money since you will be so short anyway, in which case I just talked myself in to saying this is probably a call no matter what with the stack size and being in the money.
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really tough decision, I guess it depends on the jump on pay scale. But yea this is really sick I would probably call though given that you only have a couple of antes left.
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The correct answer is that you should make the overcall here, ONLY because the shover covers the caller, and presumably, the caller will have a tighter range.
Here's the Nash Equilibrium for this spot.
| BU |
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| 38.2%, 22+ Ax+ K3s+ K9o+ Q6s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s <What button should shove |
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| SB |
| 9.8%, 66+ A8s+ ATo+ KQs <<What SB should call |
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| BB |
100.0%, Any two <<What you should overcall with |
If we switch the stacks of the two involved, and give the caller the bigger of the two stacks, that changes this spot to a fold:
| BU |
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| 32.7%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 87s 76s<What button should shove |
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| SB |
| 10.7%, 66+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs <<What SB should call |
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| BB |
58.7%, 22+ A2s+ A9o+ K2s+ K5o+ Q2s+ Q7o+ J2s+ J8o+ T2s+ T7o+ 93s+ 97o+ 82s+ 86o+ 73s+ 75o+ 62s+ 64o+ 52s+ 54o 42s+ 32s <<What you should overcall with |
In the second scenario, there's more chance that an elimination would occur, and folding to move up the payscale is worth it.
ICM Nash Calculator Results
Hope that helps!
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