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Ummm this is P5's, if your such a 2+2 fan why not carry your ass there? ( In reference to your 2+2 pokerstove reference.) Please don't ever disparage this sacred forum with that 2+2 garbage
By the way, and just for the sake of argument...
You clearly state that you young bucks are terrific at always taking advantage of plus ev situations.
When Nick Schulman folded 44 to Tony Lisandro's all in move when heads up, did he make a bad play? Since the majority of the time he knows he is the favorite against an unpaired hand, and since you only get a paired hand once every 16 times, then he knows he is a plus ev to call, correct?
Well, lookie here, he folded, and got his chips in later as a 90% favorite with one card to come when he had a flush vs Tony's two pair. So, did he make a better decision to pass up a positive ev situation to find a better spot?
Well, IMHO, you keep advocating to push with T high vs an all in player at a final table when the guy next to you can easily call you with a reasonable hand, and all you have to gain is isolating yourself against a player who the majority of the time is a favorite to win the pot anyhow, and there is no sidepot....
Too many negatives, not enough positives, and no matter what you say, he DID RISK 47k and his whole stack. You see when you put your chips in the middle with a player still to act trying to win 11300 and the player inbetween has a hand and a stack, there is that risk. Compound that with your hand even when not called by the SB still leaves you as a dog to win, well heck, I don't see your genius Ozzy, AJ, theorem being too much ev.
Also,
Jeff, if you don't want people to think your being pompous, quit cutting and pasting there quotes and trying to dissect them or belittle them with your snide comments. I have news for you. You don't rule. Ozzy isn't king, and I have seen Below, Ozzy and many others you mention make HORRIFICALLY BAD PLAYS. It doesn't mean that they aren't talented. It means that everyone, myself included occasionally blunder, gamble, or simply make bad decisions. Heck, I have made some of the most collossal blunders on the planet.
I can remember when I won so many tournaments it would make your head spin. If i didn't make a final table, I was surprised.
I can remember when Bax would win more tournaments in a day, a week, and a month than you can count. Now I puke when I hear naysayers say that he shouldn't be #1.
I can remember when SamE Nole COULD NOT LOSE.
I can tell you that LEGGGGGY went on a run that was easily as good as the run you are having.
I can tell you I think you are a simply brilliant fricking poker player.
I can tell you I hated when I saw your post attacking Lucky7, basically calling him a weak tight player, when all he has ever done is win, and never has said anything to be disparaged the way you so dynamically did. You ever stop to think that maybe he is establishing an image, and then using that image to capitalize later? Do you realize just how LONG TERM he has been a winning player?
I know you are really crushing right now bud, and I hope you keep doing so.... but seriously, you are a good player, but I would highly recommend that you not think of yourself and your style as that of being a demi-god.
One day we will have to have an old farts vs the young farts challenge.
You can have Ozzy, Aaron Beene, Imsolucky0, Bel0wab0ve, Colson10 and N82 (does he play?)
I'll take Bax, Sheets, Leggggy, Westtexasman, Lucky 7(faithless) and Loewa79.
Gl,
Chris.
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I just finished reading this entire thread. I think everyone, including both sides, missed the point. There was discussion, there was disagreement, and there was conflict,between some of the best online poker players in the world. Isnt that the point of these forums?! Be it 2p2 or P5s?
What bothers me is that this thread slowly evloved into more of a personal attck/pissing contest, and all this does is keep discussions like this from happening again. Most posts by top players are followed by a bunch of players, who look up to them, agreeing with them one after another. This post was not that, and I enjoyed it. No reason to make personal attacks, constructive disagreement is healthy and makes everyone better, which is why I come by...i guess i may come across as soft, but this is one of the first times i've posted on this site (im mainly a 2p2 guy, please dont kill me!), and i hope that this thread was a lil bit of a taste of what goes on around here
thanks
-LL
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jsbyun
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04-25-2006 5:24 PM
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I think some people are confusing EV for a specific hand to EV for the entire tourney. There are ways to calculate both. Any time you have +EV relative to the entire tourney, that is always the correct play.
There is always incomplete information, so for a mathematical analysis you always have to make various assumptions in your calculations.
There are many things where people simply differ in opinion, but when it comes to things regarding math there is usually a right answer. Sometimes when people disagree, one side is simply wrong.
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