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Ummm this is P5's, if your such a 2+2 fan why not carry your ass there? ( In reference to your 2+2 pokerstove reference.) Please don't ever disparage this sacred forum with that 2+2 garbage
By the way, and just for the sake of argument...
You clearly state that you young bucks are terrific at always taking advantage of plus ev situations.
When Nick Schulman folded 44 to Tony Lisandro's all in move when heads up, did he make a bad play? Since the majority of the time he knows he is the favorite against an unpaired hand, and since you only get a paired hand once every 16 times, then he knows he is a plus ev to call, correct?
Well, lookie here, he folded, and got his chips in later as a 90% favorite with one card to come when he had a flush vs Tony's two pair. So, did he make a better decision to pass up a positive ev situation to find a better spot?
Well, IMHO, you keep advocating to push with T high vs an all in player at a final table when the guy next to you can easily call you with a reasonable hand, and all you have to gain is isolating yourself against a player who the majority of the time is a favorite to win the pot anyhow, and there is no sidepot....
Too many negatives, not enough positives, and no matter what you say, he DID RISK 47k and his whole stack. You see when you put your chips in the middle with a player still to act trying to win 11300 and the player inbetween has a hand and a stack, there is that risk. Compound that with your hand even when not called by the SB still leaves you as a dog to win, well heck, I don't see your genius Ozzy, AJ, theorem being too much ev.
Also,
Jeff, if you don't want people to think your being pompous, quit cutting and pasting there quotes and trying to dissect them or belittle them with your snide comments. I have news for you. You don't rule. Ozzy isn't king, and I have seen Below, Ozzy and many others you mention make HORRIFICALLY BAD PLAYS. It doesn't mean that they aren't talented. It means that everyone, myself included occasionally blunder, gamble, or simply make bad decisions. Heck, I have made some of the most collossal blunders on the planet.
I can remember when I won so many tournaments it would make your head spin. If i didn't make a final table, I was surprised.
I can remember when Bax would win more tournaments in a day, a week, and a month than you can count. Now I puke when I hear naysayers say that he shouldn't be #1.
I can remember when SamE Nole COULD NOT LOSE.
I can tell you that LEGGGGGY went on a run that was easily as good as the run you are having.
I can tell you I think you are a simply brilliant fricking poker player.
I can tell you I hated when I saw your post attacking Lucky7, basically calling him a weak tight player, when all he has ever done is win, and never has said anything to be disparaged the way you so dynamically did. You ever stop to think that maybe he is establishing an image, and then using that image to capitalize later? Do you realize just how LONG TERM he has been a winning player?
I know you are really crushing right now bud, and I hope you keep doing so.... but seriously, you are a good player, but I would highly recommend that you not think of yourself and your style as that of being a demi-god.
One day we will have to have an old farts vs the young farts challenge.
You can have Ozzy, Aaron Beene, Imsolucky0, Bel0wab0ve, Colson10 and N82 (does he play?)
I'll take Bax, Sheets, Leggggy, Westtexasman, Lucky 7(faithless) and Loewa79.
Gl,
Chris.
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Just a quick question... if this tourney was say the WSOP Main event and the pay jumps were in hundreds of thousands of dollars would he have still made that play...I know the quick answer is you make any +ev move at anytime but for some reason if he knew that he could gain say 200k more by 1)folding and br winning 2)calling an checking down with br.....I just don't think he would have made the same play if more money was involved regardless of what ev it was...
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BR BAX SAM all the old men own...JK guys!
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100% right. I totally agree with you. I am fed up with your disrespectful comments ActionJeff. Please show us some real class for a change...
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Whoa nellie, before this gets out of whack...
I wanted to poke a sharp stick at Jeff to maybe get him to see he sometimes gets a lil unruly towards the old folk, just as we old folk sometimes get a lil snippy with the young folk, BUT I WASN'T TRYING TO POKE HIS EYE OUT!
Heck, I may need to hit him up for a loan soon as I think he has 90% of the dollars in play in online poker...
Also, don't challenge me to the obligatory heads up match, as I looked up my chances on pokerstove and it is a definite -EV for me to play him...
Gl,
Chris.
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ummm chris, think you're gonna have to give up loewa in the old farts game, he wayyyy too young
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hess
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04-23-2006 2:48 PM
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http://www.pocketfives.com/FA6DC52B-AE08-42E0-9608-10CDF0877211.aspx
"someone 2+2er please whip out pokerstove and crush some jopkers for me.
I've gtg, be back at 4:20." -ActionJeff
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Just a few things.
" Ummm this is P5's, if your
such a 2+2 fan why not carry your ass there? ( In reference to your
2+2 pokerstove reference.) Please don't ever disparage this sacred
forum with that 2+2 garbage"
If you don't like 2+2 that's fine, but you make yourself look silly calling it garbage. 2+2 is the leading poker strategy forum and while there are some nice discussions that go on over here sometimes, 2+2 blows this place out of the water as far as strategy goes.
"When Nick Schulman folded
44 to Tony Lisandro's all in move when heads up, did he make a bad
play? Since the majority of the time he knows he is the favorite
against an unpaired hand, and since you only get a paired hand once
every 16 times, then he knows he is a plus ev to call, correct?"
I don't think you understand what EV is. I'm pretty sure that if nick thought that he was up against a random hand that was only once in every 16 times a pair, that he would have called instantly. I'm sure Nick put him on a range that was as tight as something ike 88+, AQ+ or something like that and decided he was an underdog to his range and then decided to fold.
I think you and alot of people confuse EV and don't understand that EV is WHAT POKER IS. If you decide the EV on a hand, then either it makes you money or it loses you money. When you play on a high level as I'm sure you know, you have to account for everything in an EV calculation. You even have to account for your edge on the field, your opponents hand range, the pot odds, the overall position in the tournament, what the chips mean for you if you win them, what the chips mean for your opponent if he wins them, and etc. etc. You look at all of that, and then you decide if the play is +EV or -EV. If it's +EV, you do it because it makes you money in the long run. If it is -EV, you don't do it because it loses you money in the long run. There is noone who passes up +EV situations that is playing perfectly or even close to it.
"You can have Ozzy, Aaron Beene, Imsolucky0, Bel0wab0ve, Colson10 and N82 (does he play?)
I'll take Bax, Sheets, Leggggy, Westtexasman, Lucky 7(faithless) and Loewa79."
I'm pretty sure that Bax and Sheets would be on the side of the young guns. They certainly play a style that is MUCH closer to ours than it is to yours.
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what the hell is the purpose of this artcle? pretty stupid and pointless if u ask me.
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I didn't call 2+2 silly. He basically demeaned pocket fives by inferring that only a 2+2 poster could comprehend what he was stating.
I still think that I have a pretty firm grasp of what is EV and not EV. Your talking to a man who raises with any 2 in position shorthanded.
I repeat, I see no EV to isolate and give protection to an all in player at a final table with ten high....
TYTYTY
Chris.
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well i will just take huck biggins and pwn you all
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I don't think you understand what EV is. I'm pretty sure that if nick thought that he was up against a random hand that was only once in every 16 times a pair, that he would have called instantly. I'm sure Nick put him on a range that was as tight as something ike 88+, AQ+ or something like that and decided he was an underdog to his range and then decided to fold.
I highly doubt it. I think Nick knew he was a small favorite and it wasnt worth it to gamble when he could get his money all in in a much better spot.
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I want aaaaaaaa, redsoxsox and anakinso.
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