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Ummm this is P5's, if your such a 2+2 fan why not carry your ass there? ( In reference to your 2+2 pokerstove reference.) Please don't ever disparage this sacred forum with that 2+2 garbage
By the way, and just for the sake of argument...
You clearly state that you young bucks are terrific at always taking advantage of plus ev situations.
When Nick Schulman folded 44 to Tony Lisandro's all in move when heads up, did he make a bad play? Since the majority of the time he knows he is the favorite against an unpaired hand, and since you only get a paired hand once every 16 times, then he knows he is a plus ev to call, correct?
Well, lookie here, he folded, and got his chips in later as a 90% favorite with one card to come when he had a flush vs Tony's two pair. So, did he make a better decision to pass up a positive ev situation to find a better spot?
Well, IMHO, you keep advocating to push with T high vs an all in player at a final table when the guy next to you can easily call you with a reasonable hand, and all you have to gain is isolating yourself against a player who the majority of the time is a favorite to win the pot anyhow, and there is no sidepot....
Too many negatives, not enough positives, and no matter what you say, he DID RISK 47k and his whole stack. You see when you put your chips in the middle with a player still to act trying to win 11300 and the player inbetween has a hand and a stack, there is that risk. Compound that with your hand even when not called by the SB still leaves you as a dog to win, well heck, I don't see your genius Ozzy, AJ, theorem being too much ev.
Also,
Jeff, if you don't want people to think your being pompous, quit cutting and pasting there quotes and trying to dissect them or belittle them with your snide comments. I have news for you. You don't rule. Ozzy isn't king, and I have seen Below, Ozzy and many others you mention make HORRIFICALLY BAD PLAYS. It doesn't mean that they aren't talented. It means that everyone, myself included occasionally blunder, gamble, or simply make bad decisions. Heck, I have made some of the most collossal blunders on the planet.
I can remember when I won so many tournaments it would make your head spin. If i didn't make a final table, I was surprised.
I can remember when Bax would win more tournaments in a day, a week, and a month than you can count. Now I puke when I hear naysayers say that he shouldn't be #1.
I can remember when SamE Nole COULD NOT LOSE.
I can tell you that LEGGGGGY went on a run that was easily as good as the run you are having.
I can tell you I think you are a simply brilliant fricking poker player.
I can tell you I hated when I saw your post attacking Lucky7, basically calling him a weak tight player, when all he has ever done is win, and never has said anything to be disparaged the way you so dynamically did. You ever stop to think that maybe he is establishing an image, and then using that image to capitalize later? Do you realize just how LONG TERM he has been a winning player?
I know you are really crushing right now bud, and I hope you keep doing so.... but seriously, you are a good player, but I would highly recommend that you not think of yourself and your style as that of being a demi-god.
One day we will have to have an old farts vs the young farts challenge.
You can have Ozzy, Aaron Beene, Imsolucky0, Bel0wab0ve, Colson10 and N82 (does he play?)
I'll take Bax, Sheets, Leggggy, Westtexasman, Lucky 7(faithless) and Loewa79.
Gl,
Chris.
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Dear Aaron,
I don't know you, but I can tell you that such complicated issues as pot odds, positive ev, all of that is just so way over my head.
Gosh, I feel lucky to have such a worldy and accomplished person as yourself come explain it for us.
I particularly love the recreated chat exchange, especially the "brsavage is so tight", or was this simply another AJ smug potshot so cleverly inserted?
lololol, your showing your age my wet behind the ears friend. I think most who have played with me for years understand I am anything but...
Also, he loses 5308 55% of the time, not 3308, then there is also that few % where he loses his whole stack, then there is also the fact that he fed a player who would have been eliminated.
I find it hard to believe that you trumpet conventional logic is to consider tournament chips to have a cash value, while completely discounting that conventional logic also dictates that the elimination of a player is also a top priority.
The exact dollar value of the elimination of the player was $600, or 4x the buy in of the tournament. More importantly, it put you closer to one of the more lucrative paydays. Everyone who knows me, understands that top 3 is all i care about, but it would be foolish of me to not understand that every player eliminated puts me closer to that goal.
Since you insist on talking about the accumulation of chips, and their inherent "cash" value, let's look at what he risked to win.
616410 chips were in play. If he makes this creative play and wins, he now has 2% more of the chips in play. He had 7.7% and now will have 9.9 %. Is shoving your whole stack in when your more than 10x the bb really a good play when the most you hope to gain is 2.2% more of the chips in play? Does it really outweigh the elimination of a player?
I would advocate this play if not at the FT, but not in this situation. IMHO, this is simply a case where you don't look at the math, you look at the bigger picture.
Gl,
Chris.
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...if you make fun of Sizzler, we will have some REAL problems.
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another example of Jeff having to get the last word in. Guy's immaturity continues to persist.
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lol I don't even know why I post on these forums, its not like anyone here actually cares about poker strategy or discussion. It would be one thing if Brsavage actually used some arguements related to MATH or ODDS or POKER TOURNAMENT TACTICS AND THEIR APPLICABILITY instead of regurgitating the same nonsense again and again.
Good to know that many "top" players are ignorant and lack basic poker fundamentals. What a display this thread has been.
GIFAFI,
Jeff
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A challenge to any of you...
Anyone who is actually fighting over a card game (Action Jeff, Brsavage, anyone! I Don't care who) I'm calling you all out! Let's have a little competition, your whole little group, whoever they are against my whole group, who is my group? anyone who is with me! I challenge you to a duel in 10 events, alla Billy Madison style in things besides poker and magic cards (all the girls really love that stuff) so you can all check your egos and see that you're all not gods gifts to the world and will be laughed at when you're not in a poker room or behind a computer screen!
I bet this starts a riot! I'll take you all on!
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Just another friendly day at the pocketfives forum..........
Instead of trash talking..how about PAYPERVIEW STEELCAGE MATCH WEBCAST sponsered by P5s...
Just a suggestion... now that would be fun........
Craig "CALES157"
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HAHA Now You're thinking! That could be the tie breaker if after 10 events its tied. PocketFives should sponser it though, They would have some real entertainment on their hands.
I would be willing to bet on this, I will collect 10 of my friends and then 10 of these clowns can assemble a group of poker buddies, we can have drift racing on the streets, a golf tournament, and other things, like the NFL Pro Challenge on ESPN, I don't know if anyone on this site knows what that is though because they don't have it on during the WSOP!
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^^^^^ i cant stand all the attention AJ and br are getting i NEED attention
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VVVVEEEERRRRRRYYYYYYYYY well said. Exactly what I was thinking as well. Kudos BR.
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"Also, he loses 5308 55% of the time, not 3308"
he has already lost the 2000 sb, those are not his chips when the hand begins.
I added the part about being tight for the same reason I added the part about 80%: I was not involved in the hand and I have no reads on the players so I wanted to explain where my ranges were coming from. I'm not sure why you were offended by this- most of the posters on this forum could substantially increase their winrates just by playing tighter.
As far as chips having different value at this stage of the tournament it's a tough problem. ICM is easy to use and works well for 4 handed games with a steep increase from 4th to 3rd and flat increases from then on. In this situation the number of calculations would be astronomical and there is no software I know of that does them. As I stated in my post the larger number of players and less unusual payout structure (compared to sngs) seems to indicate that icm would advocate less drastic changes in play.
I'm not going to respond to anyone calling me a child but I will readily admit to not knowing you at all- I went with Jeff's range after all. I hope there are no hard feelings and have a nice day.
Aaron
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So, my position about believing that eliminating a player is more important than the few % of chips he stands to gain by shoving is not directly related to poker tournament tactics?
Thanks, for calling me ignorant, hope your still around in a couple of years, although I'm sure brain swelling is terminal.
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I agree here Professor. Just another arrogant, immature kid who doesn't get it.
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brsavage,
if you are serious about your "challenge" earlier, maybe something could be arranged. I am sure some of us young punks could be convinced to team up for a NLHE challenge if the opposing team includes you and POKER HO and LUCKY 7, lolz
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Typical.
In a couple of years, when your snideness has alienated half the world from you, i'll still think you were a talented player who didn't understand what being humble does for the soul.
Gl with that, your attitude is all -ev
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What does "GIFAFI" stand for?
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