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Ok we are both deep stacked in the 80k on UB. with 90ish or so players left. And this hand comes up. What is the best play here and why? Am i commited to the pot here? Is there any way i can fold? Or Do you think my 4 bet reraise was bad here? Ive played against Chipsteela many times and know he is a solid agressive player capiple of 3 and 4 betting weak. ( Ill submit the full hand history later) would like a few ideas on this hand.
Thanks
Stage #1928184603 Tourney ID 4709101 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 400 - 2009-10-07 21:54:50 (ET)
Table: 42 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 1 - CHIPSTEELA (24,403 in chips)
Seat 3 - PISCATO77 (20,964 in chips)
Seat 4 - DMON2323 (9,937 in chips)
Seat 5 - HOTSHOT80 (7,405 in chips)
Seat 7 - FOOLISHGOLF (27,760 in chips)
Seat 8 - SCOTTYDOG25 (4,671 in chips)
Seat 9 - 6XSHOOTER (10,041 in chips)
CHIPSTEELA - Ante 50
PISCATO77 - Ante 50
DMON2323 - Ante 50
HOTSHOT80 - Ante 50
FOOLISHGOLF - Ante 50
SCOTTYDOG25 - Ante 50
6XSHOOTER - Ante 50
6XSHOOTER - Posts small blind 200
CHIPSTEELA - Posts big blind 400
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FOOLISHGOLF [Ac Qd]
PISCATO77 - Folds
DMON2323 - Folds
HOTSHOT80 - Folds
FOOLISHGOLF - Raises 1,000 to 1,000
SCOTTYDOG25 - Folds
6XSHOOTER - Folds
CHIPSTEELA - Raises 2,545 to 2,945
FOOLISHGOLF - Raises 6,890 to 7,890
CHIPSTEELA - All-In(Raise) 21,408 to 24,353
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doubt im ever folding here getting 2-1...i wouldnt 4bet if im not callin
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I might 3 bet fold there, I think your dominated here or a 3:1 dog more often than your flipping. Definitely find a better spot with 50 BB behind
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 rainmanrcp: | |
I might 3 bet fold there, I think your dominated here or a 3:1 dog more often than your flipping. Definitely find a better spot with 50 BB behind
I mean i think it is obvious he has to have a hand. There is no way he is 5 bet jamming here without a monster. But if Im going to reraise to 8k i have the intintion of calling if he jams i just have an extreemly hard time putting in over 1/3 of my stack and folding. I guess if you know 95% of the time you are drawing pretty slim then i should probbaly fold. I mean whats the worst hand he shows up with here? AK maybe JJ? Just a tough spot. Against a normal random i call the reraise in pos and play accordingly. Was playing the player here and got caught in a bad situation.
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Yeah unlucky, I do like your 4 bet if you say hes been 3 betting lightly; I think the lower part of his range is JJ here, but I think AK, KK, AA are also in that range so fold to this more than often. I do like your play though given the read.
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| rainmanrcp: | |
Yeah unlucky, I do like your 4 bet if you say hes been 3 betting lightly; I think the lower part of his range is JJ here, but I think AK, KK, AA are also in that range so fold to this more than often. I do like your play though given the read.
I agree with this
I also think that you should have flat called since you did have a strong hand hope to catch a decent flop and then let him hang himself by firing cause you know he will be firing almost any flop after 3 betting you and it is like A K if you don't like what you see on the flop your not stuck holding your hand post flop
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doubt im 4-bet folding in this spot.
other spots yes,
not this spot. Don't 4-bet if u don't have a plan when he 5-bets
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Ur getting a little over 2:1 16k to call to try and win 32k+. I think you have to call. and bink the Q or the A.
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id prolly flat cuz we have pos and 4bet folding sucks and 4b calling is meh most of the time
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| pikappraider78: | |
id prolly flat cuz we have pos and 4bet folding sucks and 4b calling is meh most of the time
+1.
also his bet sizing seems really strong given he will be OOP and you raised from MP.
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your 4bet/call was aweful against his 5bet shoving range, and 4bet/folding would be even worst.
Either flat the 3bet or just fold depending on your opening range from that spot.
Think of it this way if he never 5bet shove u light. Then you are basically risking 24k to win the 3bet pot which is about 5.5k. At best u fold jj,
he's not folding ak,qq's at 60bb
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JBT449
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10-08-2009 3:04 AM
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If you guys dont have a dynamic where you could potentially induce a light 5 bet from him then this is just burning money. Also your sizing pre is going to narrow his range even more since he definitely isnt going to assume your folding after putting a third of your stack in pre. You're crushed here unless you guys have some absurd history which I really doubt. Like people said, just flat... really no need to turn AQ into a bluff, and instead play vs his whole 3 betting range preflop.
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| JBT449: | |
If you guys dont have a dynamic where you could potentially induce a light 5 bet from him then this is just burning money. Also your sizing pre is going to narrow his range even more since he definitely isnt going to assume your folding after putting a third of your stack in pre. You're crushed here unless you guys have some absurd history which I really doubt. Like people said, just flat... really no need to turn AQ into a bluff, and instead play vs his whole 3 betting range preflop.
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