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do you think you might be playing below your skill level?
bryan21 (United States) 147 Posts. Joined 04-04-2005.
10-24-2005 7:17 PM

I realize this may sound like a strange question, but I pose it just the same. I have been reading some books and shit like that. I played the $10 sng's and low limit multi's. My results have been mediocre. I have looked in the books and there isn't anything that will defend against all these lunatics calling everything with everything at these lower limits. Frustration level is high because these books do tell you to be able to consistently 'beat' these lower limits before moving on. I sit and play solid poker only to have my game come to a screeching halt by some douchebag who has 100 more chips than I do call my pocket 9 all in preflop raise w/10-4 suited out of position and catch a 10 on the river.

I have leaped up to the $50 sng's. I am more comfortable in these games, get better reads on people and I feel the level of play is more like what I am supposed to be playing. My results have been better, but I only have a very small sample. At any rate, I am more comfortable playing there, feel like I'm learning more and having better results...does anyone see anything wrong with moving up in limits without "beating" the lower limits first? Especially if you are getting favorable results? Thanks for the input!
 
 
 

bryan21 (United States) 147 Posts. Joined 04-04-2005.
10-25-2005 5:46 PM - In reply to

Wow Kid...I wonder if you are reading the same thread I am. I never said I didn't believe any of the posts on here and in fact, I welcome all comments...even yours. And I never said I couldn't beat the donks, I stated that I wasn't cream'in the lower limit games, but was having better results at the higher limits and was just posing a question for general conversation. I have not 'dismissed' anyones comments on here. You say I've dismissed the advice from more experienced players...I don't know what anyones level of experience is and I take all comments equally as well. I am quite familiar with my own level of play though. You say people shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking they are better than they are...if they never step up, how are they going to know how good they are? Where would everyone be if they settled for mediocrity? Never tested the waters? Never took that shot? How many times have you heard the more experienced folks say that they moved up...ate shit for a little while and stepped back down? It happens and I am ready to step up and take that shot. If I don't succeed, the lower limits are still there. If I do succeed, I didn't waste all that time trying to beat donks for quarters...thanks again for your comments...they are most appreciated...

Winstroltabs (United States) 649 Posts. Joined 09-18-2005.
10-25-2005 7:09 PM - In reply to

Well Bryan I agree with you unlike the rest.  I recently transfered over 1500 from party to give pokerstars a try.  I  thought to get a feel for the site and the type of play, I would start at 20 sng's.  It was aweful.  No one would ever fold any hand no matter what the raise was and someone was all-in every other hand.  I play poker also for the entertainment value and that type of play(All-in and prey) is not fun at all.  I thought I was playing a rebuy tourney thats how bad it was. So after experencing 8 sngs like that I jumped up to the 50 and 100 sngs which I  normally play on party.  The difference in skill level and the over all play was unreal.  Everyone takes a shot from now and then.  I find it hard to believe that everyone on p5 plays every single game with in there bankroll.  If you are winning at the higher levels and losing at the lower limits why not stay at the higher limits.  Good Luck.

paris671 (United States) 15 Posts. Joined 12-27-2007.
05-16-2008 11:48 AM - In reply to

quick question..what constitutes beating the donks at say a 1.00 or 5.00 sng? would it be a 20-30 percent win rate over say 100 games?


lind0 (Canada) 635 Posts. Joined 01-04-2006.
05-16-2008 12:15 PM - In reply to

Bryan, you need some tough love.  A few people have said it now, but I have to warn you as well.  If you can't beat the 10$ sng's, you can't beat the $50's.  The difference in skill is more than you realize.  The players that play the 50's are good.  Period.  There's usually a couple of pro/semi pro's at the table at that level, there's 3-4 strong players too, a couple of average players, and maybe a donkey or two.  You'll still see all the same stupid plays you see in the 10$ games, but you'll also run into guys who are so much better than you you'll have no chance.  I'm not saying you'll never beat the 50$ games, but you'll need to build up to it and move up the limits like everyone else.  Try to prove me wrong, but I would bet you any amount of money that you can't win over the course of 300 games at the 50$ level.  Maybe in a 6 months or a year (probably longer) if you build your way up, sure, but until you can beat the 10$ games, you'll never beat the 50's.

I'm not saying this to be cocky, but I could drop to any level of sng below me and I could smash it even harder with each level I drop.  Any good player will tell you the same thing.  Ask any pro/semi pro player at the $50 limits if he'd rather face the opponents from the $10 game instead, and every single one of them would take the low limit donkeys.  Suck outs don't scare me, calling stations don't scare me, donkeys don't scare me... in fact, that sounds like poker nirvana. 


kevdog410 (United States) 213 Posts. Joined 06-08-2005.
05-16-2008 12:26 PM - In reply to

You do realize lind0 that you just responded to a post that hasnt been touched in 3 years........


andressoprano (United States) 4,564 Posts. Joined 01-15-2007.
05-16-2008 12:32 PM - In reply to

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lind0 (Canada) 635 Posts. Joined 01-04-2006.
05-16-2008 12:33 PM - In reply to

WTF?  Lol, I am retarded.  My apologies.  Somehow this was on the front page for me.

I thought it was a nice post though.  Embarrassed

 

 


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
05-16-2008 12:41 PM - In reply to

There's noone alive that is capable of beating $50 SNGs that is not capable of destroying $10 SNGs.


MattyDaCobra 1,953 Posts. Joined 10-01-2006.
05-16-2008 12:48 PM - In reply to

"You play a table of pros you play textbook poker"

Yeah, that'll take their money.

lind0 (Canada) 635 Posts. Joined 01-04-2006.
05-16-2008 1:59 PM - In reply to

Aha!!!  I knew I wasn't an idiot.  I didn't reopen this thread.  Allow me to present... Exhibit A: Posted at 11:48.  Sweet vindication!!

 


Re:Re(3): do you think you might be playing below your skill level? In reply to
By paris671 on 05-16-2008 11:48 AM Reply Favorites

quick question..what constitutes beating the donks at say a 1.00 or 5.00 sng? would it be a 20-30 percent win rate over say 100 games?


TiltinShoes (United States) 3,353 Posts. Joined 09-10-2007.
05-16-2008 2:30 PM - In reply to

I used to think along these line, but the truth is:  if you can't beat the donks you can't be the real grinders.


stackinsideways (United States) 3,568 Posts. Joined 03-27-2008.
05-16-2008 3:40 PM - In reply to

you cant argue with success...if you are playing better at the higher levels and have to roll to support it than go for it

 on a side note

I find myslef playing down to the level of my opponents every now and then...Its hard to avoid when you see bad play all around you...decent hands just start looking like gold...

this is one of my bigger leaks that needs adjustments...any1 else find themself doing this?

Hoobangin (Canada) 734 Posts. Joined 02-08-2007.
05-16-2008 3:48 PM - In reply to

 Golden Rule: If you cannot beat donks, you sir are a donk.


FnReese (United States) 4 Posts. Joined 05-16-2008.
05-16-2008 4:04 PM - In reply to

but if you are getting bashed on the elementary playground, what is going to happen to you against a college team?


Kiribato (France) 687 Posts. Joined 10-03-2007.
05-16-2008 4:51 PM - In reply to

 

The OP hasnt logged in since december of last year. RIP OP
 
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