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I found a sizable hole in my game last night while playing the Stars 45K gaurunteed... thought i'd share cause I'd be willing to bet that a majority of people do this. It's one of those mental holes that hard to get a handle on and hard to explain... but here it goes...
About 70% of the field was gone... blinds were at 400, 800 and antes were 50. My stack was 13522 so my M was 8. I had some time and didn't need to panic.
My state of mind was this: the last couple of decent hands I had, I raised them pre-flop, then had to release them to post-flop reraises. I also remember feeling a bit of regret because, a few hands earlier, I had comtemplated calling someone's pre-flop raise with A/4 suited. I didn't do it and then it turned out that I would've had the nuts on the turn. SO, I believe I subsconsciously told myself that I needed to pick a hand and stick with it.
Well, a few hands later, I get J/J in early position. BEFORE ALL THE INFORMATION WAS EVEN IN, I WAS TELLING MYSELF THIS WOULD BE THE HAND TO TAKE A STAND. So I raise 3 x the blind to 2400. Someone in middle position with a smaller stack reraises to 4800. "That's fine", I told myself... I was pretty confident I had this player beat and his stack was smaller then mine. I will call him. Then, the small blind goes all in and he definitely had me covered.
I called both reraises, but not because I had analyzed all the information in the current hand. I called because I had made up my mind before the hand even started that this was the hand on which I would take a stand. It turned out that the first raiser had nines and the small blind had kings... "and the Quarterback is toast!"
In "Killer Poker" Vorhaus talks about being very careful to use your "fact filter" rather than your "judgement filter". By this, he means we should use all the facts in the hand to reach a conclusion, rather than judgements we've made or feelings that we have. I think the events of the previous hands had switched on my judgement filter and prevented me from analyzing the obvious clues in the hand.
I've been getting pretty deep in tournaments lately, but the one thing my game is missing is "the Big Laydown". I believe it is because the process I described above keeps occurring. I take a couple hits to my stack and then this process kicks in.
Maybe all I'm describing is tilt, but it seems to be a sneaky form of tilt that creeps in undetected. It's not like the tilt that you experience from getting sucked out on... it's a different beast.
Anyway, does anybody get me on this?
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I know Im gonna get lambasted for this, but here it goes...
"In "Killer Poker" Vorhaus talks about being very careful to use your "fact filter" rather than your "judgement filter". By this, he means we should use all the facts in the hand to reach a conclusion, rather than judgements we've made or feelings that we have."
I think this is a HUGE mistake. You should definitly use the facts of the hands to make your decision, but you should use the facts of the hand IN CONJUNCTION WITH judgements and feelings that we have. It sounds like he is saying "dont listen to your gut or pay any attention to the guys table image". Your gut is "feelings" and peoples table image allow you to make "judegemnts". Using those feelings and judgements, along with the facts of the hand, is what makes a great poker player. If this isnt what Vorhaus or you meant, than Im sorry, but its an important distiction to make.
However, I do agree that you should never pick a hand and say "no matter what happens, Im going all the way with it". Thats just silly.
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supermoves... no you're not gonna get lambasted for that... shit, if anything, I probably didn't explain that Vorhaus quote well enough... i found this on the Net, maybe it'll help:
http://www.vorza.com/2004.htm
I guess the main point is not to be a slave to your feelings... and to use the "fact filter" as much as possible.
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Amazing post.
Happened to me in the Royal tournament. Why didn't I just think
about not calling two all-ins with AKo? Apparently I had already
made up my mind before hand. I gotta start thinking some
more.
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maybe I'm confused, if so straighten me out. m=bb+sb+ante. If so the m is almost 11, not 8. 1250 into 13522 =10.8. Kat
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supermoves...absolutely. I think ultimately the players who have that edge in judgement have a huge advantage. But you have to be good enough and observant enough to interpret the facts first. The facts should be the basis for implementing your judgement.
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To expand on Vorhaus... Vorhaus' point was actually illustrated to me yesterday while watching the Redskins game. Mark Brunell, love him or hate him, is the ultimate emotionless veteran athlete. He is the ice man. I think his temperment is equivalent to that of Tiger Woods.
Just after Brunell's second (or third) interception of the day yesterday, the camera zoomed in for a closeup of his face while he was sitting on the bench. It struck me that he had no emotion on his face... he wasn't pissed. He was just reviewing the facts of what happend and not letting judgements like "damn! wtf is wrong with me? that's my third interception today" cause him to feel. It was like he totally understood that he would have days like this once in a while and it didn't bother him. He new he'd get another chance to win the game.
To me, being great at something is like 60% ability and 40% mindset.... but now I'm just being cheesy :)
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dugums... you are damn wise for a 25 year old :)
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no Kat... it's like this:
50 antes times 9 = 450
SB = 400
BB = 800
Total = 1650
M = Stack/Antes + Blinds
M = 13522/1650 = 8.19
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Thanks kat
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