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1500-3000 blinds Final Table 4 players left
player 1 shoves 52k allin
player 2 reships 114k allin
player 3 comes over the top for 156k
I'm in the BB with (AA) holding 61k in chips is this a fold for me?
4th place - $475
3rd place - $706
2nd place - $1,188
1st place - $1,782
My bank roll is $3200.00
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There are really only a few other posters as annoying as this guy, so just plz ignore 95% of his posts/responses. sir-annoying, why don't you ever walk through your thought process and justify your reasoning instead of acting like an idiot and posting such negative responses all the time? OP obviously wanted some insight which is why he posted in the first place (as naive as it is). Plz run face first into a wall and permanently lose the feeling/use in your fingers. Then we will all live a much happier life...(thank you in advance btw)
OP, you ALWAYS have to play ftw in these spots and plz hold! Only time I ever consider folding is deep in a satey where top 3 get paid a seat....gl
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There are really only a few other posters as annoying as this guy, so just plz ignore 95% of his posts/responses. sir-annoying, why don't you ever walk through your thought process and justify your reasoning instead of acting like an idiot and posting such negative responses all the time? OP obviously wanted some insight which is why he posted in the first place (as naive as it is). Plz run face first into a wall and permanently lose the feeling/use in your fingers. Then we will all live a much happier life...(thank you in advance btw) OP, you ALWAYS have to play ftw in these spots and plz hold! Only time I ever consider folding is deep in a satey where top 3 get paid a seat....gl
allin. i dont no u or sirswish personally, but obv this is not a hand advice thread. OP knows this is a call 100% of the time in an MTT, unless like u had said in the case of a satty, where folding will nearly guaranteed him a seat. and in defence of sirswish, he was 1 of MANY making jokes about the pure hilarity of OP thinking this is anything other than a call.
also, i am 100% sure that OP doesnt post this if his hands hold. thats y these sorts of threads tilt the shit out of me.
OP PLZ STOP POSTING AND SIRSWISH PLZ CONTINUE POSTING
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excellentttt post and i think this is a spot much bigger than most of the people here thinks. For me this is one of the easiest fold ever. Everyone here are just laughing about ppl ever folding to this hand bla bla bla, but for the guys with bigger bankrolls, what if you find yourself in the same spot with some added 0´s to the payouts.
Lets say :
4th= 475,000
3rd= 706,000
2nd= 1,188,000
1st= 1,782,000
the way i see it, the third push from the chip leader must be something from jj-AA,ak. He is going to have the best hand most of the time here. So, if one of the other 2 wins the hand it means it wouldve beat your aa as well and you would be out in 3rd or crippled with 10k left( if the guy with 52k wins and ifffff you beat the other two guys. So you can easily get 4th too). Then if the Cl´s hand holds you are hu with 61k vs 320k with 713k more and still a good chance to tid... I dont know about you guys but i swear if i find myself in this spot tomorrow i insta fold .... Easy fold :)
ohh of course lets hope the degen cells in my brain are not awake, otherwise im insta calling haha
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There are really only a few other posters as annoying as this guy, so just plz ignore 95% of his posts/responses. sir-annoying, why don't you ever walk through your thought process and justify your reasoning instead of acting like an idiot and posting such negative responses all the time? OP obviously wanted some insight which is why he posted in the first place (as naive as it is). Plz run face first into a wall and permanently lose the feeling/use in your fingers. Then we will all live a much happier life...(thank you in advance btw) OP, you ALWAYS have to play ftw in these spots and plz hold! Only time I ever consider folding is deep in a satey where top 3 get paid a seat....gl
allin. i dont no u or sirswish personally, but obv this is not a hand advice thread. OP knows this is a call 100% of the time in an MTT, unless like u had said in the case of a satty, where folding will nearly guaranteed him a seat. and in defence of sirswish, he was 1 of MANY making jokes about the pure hilarity of OP thinking this is anything other than a call. also, i am 100% sure that OP doesnt post this if his hands hold. thats y these sorts of threads tilt the shit out of me. OP PLZ STOP POSTING AND SIRSWISH PLZ CONTINUE POSTING
haha, how can ppl take this thread seriously? oh its in PD, oh, gotta be serious, gfy allin, nice original screenname too. I was gonna go with AllinwithAANoBadBeats69 but I went with something slightly more original.
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Folded AA Pre here... this is a $215 sunday million sat. pays seven spots eight left, Just went thru my blinds and blinds are 20,000, 10,000 next hand. Frikki who just raised UTG hasn't entered a pot in several orbits (very tight) so i know he has a high pair, and I can see him spikeing a set. anyway, thought this was a marginal fold but won the satty on next hand when glaucos went all-in on his BB.
BTW...only time i have ever folded it and prolly theonly time i ever will...
PokerStars Game #23970449367: Tournament #132771517, $3+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (6000/12000) - 2009/01/16 18:42:36 ET
Table '132771517 15' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BigD----WVa (57879 in chips)
Seat 2: axl2rose (47597 in chips)
Seat 4: rip-omatic (50428 in chips)
Seat 5: makytom (64377 in chips)
Seat 6: frikki (122920 in chips)
Seat 7: glaucos (37074 in chips)
Seat 8: 1The Dude1 (92342 in chips)
Seat 9: Kantona (139883 in chips)
BigD----WVa: posts the ante 600
axl2rose: posts the ante 600
rip-omatic: posts the ante 600
makytom: posts the ante 600
frikki: posts the ante 600
glaucos: posts the ante 600
1The Dude1: posts the ante 600
Kantona: posts the ante 600
rip-omatic: posts small blind 6000
makytom: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rip-omatic [Ah Ac]
frikki: raises 18000 to 30000
glaucos: folds
1The Dude1: folds
Kantona: folds
BigD----WVa: folds
axl2rose: folds
rip-omatic: folds
makytom: folds
Uncalled bet (18000) returned to frikki
frikki collected 34800 from pot
frikki: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 34800 | Rake 0
Seat 1: BigD----WVa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: axl2rose (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rip-omatic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: makytom (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: frikki collected (34800)
Seat 7: glaucos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 1The Dude1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kantona folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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allin. i dont no u or sirswish personally, but obv this is not a hand advice thread. OP knows this is a call 100% of the time in an MTT, unless like u had said in the case of a satty, where folding will nearly guaranteed him a seat. and in defence of sirswish, he was 1 of MANY making jokes about the pure hilarity of OP thinking this is anything other than a call.
also, i am 100% sure that OP doesnt post this if his hands hold. thats y these sorts of threads tilt the shit out of me.
OP PLZ STOP POSTING AND SIRSWISH PLZ CONTINUE POSTING
read page 5 of the thread before posting then kill yourself please..i provided math using icm that says this is a fold. ill admit i originally laughed at this, i myself made a sarcastic one liner on page 1 but it didn't attack the poster or call anyone in this thread an idiot, i didn't say anyone was correct or incorrect, it was just a joke.
i don't see why a thread should tilt the shit out of you when youre the one making it even worse by continuing to provide incorrect mother fuckin advice after it was mathematically proven to be a fold. either correct my math, provide a legitimate thought out explanation as to why the numbers are incorrect, or better yet, READ THE WHOLE FUCKIN THREAD BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO BE A MORONIC JACKASS. don't tell someone to quit posting when they've found a spot where calling with pocket aces at the final table is negative expected value. the fact that 97% of the posts in this thread have been highly offensive blasts at the OP show just how valuable his hand history actually is. its one thing to make a joke or provide light humor but to skip to page 6 in a thread and attack someone without having any idea you're spewing incorrect information is just retarded. please dont apologize, just get a friend to shoot you in both hands so you cant post for a few months.
now that it's proven to be -ev, the more clear-cut and intelligent a fold it becomes. not only are you likely to be guaranteed more money immediately, but i find my edge to be greater with fewer people left. i know my opponents are very uncomfortable playing weaker hands whereas i have no problem playing post-flop with any two cards.
since you're losing money in the long-run by calling, and you're gaining an edge playing-wise by folding, this is an obvious fold. the only alternative explanation i will accept is that this is a "50/50 if you wanna gamble".
summary
- muimuibueno is a jackass
- there is math on page 5 with all potential scenarios using icm that says this is a fold
- your edge increases as players get eliminated which also says this is a fold
- op did a wonderful thing for the poker community by bringing this hand to our attention
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Folded AA Pre here... this is a $215 sunday million sat. pays seven spots eight left, Just went thru my blinds and blinds are 20,000, 10,000 next hand. Frikki who just raised UTG hasn't entered a pot in several orbits (very tight) so i know he has a high pair, and I can see him spikeing a set. anyway, thought this was a marginal fold but won the satty on next hand when glaucos went all-in on his BB.
BTW...only time i have ever folded it and prolly theonly time i ever will...
PokerStars Game #23970449367: Tournament #132771517, $3+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (6000/12000) - 2009/01/16 18:42:36 ET
Table '132771517 15' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BigD----WVa (57879 in chips)
Seat 2: axl2rose (47597 in chips)
Seat 4: rip-omatic (50428 in chips)
Seat 5: makytom (64377 in chips)
Seat 6: frikki (122920 in chips)
Seat 7: glaucos (37074 in chips)
Seat 8: 1The Dude1 (92342 in chips)
Seat 9: Kantona (139883 in chips)
BigD----WVa: posts the ante 600
axl2rose: posts the ante 600
rip-omatic: posts the ante 600
makytom: posts the ante 600
frikki: posts the ante 600
glaucos: posts the ante 600
1The Dude1: posts the ante 600
Kantona: posts the ante 600
rip-omatic: posts small blind 6000
makytom: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rip-omatic [Ah Ac]
frikki: raises 18000 to 30000
glaucos: folds
1The Dude1: folds
Kantona: folds
BigD----WVa: folds
axl2rose: folds
rip-omatic: folds
makytom: folds
Uncalled bet (18000) returned to frikki
frikki collected 34800 from pot
frikki: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 34800 | Rake 0
Seat 1: BigD----WVa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: axl2rose (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rip-omatic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: makytom (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: frikki collected (34800)
Seat 7: glaucos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 1The Dude1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kantona folded before Flop (didn't bet)
We can argue as to whether or not that was a good fold but LOOOOOOOL don't ever fold a higher pair for that reason.
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denty in ur case in this situation i would snapfold as the added chips of nearly quadrupling up would do little to help ur chances of winning (yes i checked ur horrendous stats) but for any winning player this is a snapcall.
sorry i dint clarify, ur right denty.
here goes
WINNING PLAYERS SNAPCALL LOSERS SNAPFOLD
there denty
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i dont think ur gonna win but for some reason u cant fold lol
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denty in ur case in this situation i would snapfold as the added chips of nearly quadrupling up would do little to help ur chances of winning (yes i checked ur horrendous stats) but for any winning player this is a snapcall.
sorry i dint clarify, ur right denty.
here goes
WINNING PLAYERS SNAPCALL LOSERS SNAPFOLD
there denty
hahaha youre funny bro. look me up on pokerdb then suck my dick. after 242 tournaments your total winnings are under 2k. you couldnt even count on two hands the number of times ive cashed for over 2k. hell ive even lost track, i'd have to look it up myself faggot. therefore, suck my dick bitch. my sharkscope stats are suspect cause i like to treat myself to a high-stakes sng every now and then after a big cash but whatever im down on there is about 2-3% of what ive made lifetime in multi-table tournaments. sorry for the brag, just had to silence a hater. youre 0 for 2 today man. kill yourself before it gets worse.
edit- i forgot to add your fulltilt stats. this brings your lifetime cashes to a whopping $4300. i apologize for neglecting the greater half of your cashes before blasting the shit out of you. too bad it took 3k in buyins to you to 4k though. i stand by everything i said about you, i know for a fact you still cant count the number of times ive cashed for more than your lifetime winnings on both hands. hell i won more at turning stone before i was 21 and could legally gamble in the rest of the united states than you could even dream of making in your entire life. i even got a cute little 40th finish a couple years ago that made me more than your 400 tournaments combined. dont get into the ring with someone who left your weight class years ago, sorry for the brag-edit
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ummmmmmmm i opred u and u r a microstakes donkey with negative stats????? not sure wat u mean dissing my 2k over the last 3 weeks as u have made less than that in 2 years....
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There are really only a few other posters as annoying as this guy, so just plz ignore 95% of his posts/responses. sir-annoying, why don't you ever walk through your thought process and justify your reasoning instead of acting like an idiot and posting such negative responses all the time? OP obviously wanted some insight which is why he posted in the first place (as naive as it is). Plz run face first into a wall and permanently lose the feeling/use in your fingers. Then we will all live a much happier life...(thank you in advance btw) OP, you ALWAYS have to play ftw in these spots and plz hold! Only time I ever consider folding is deep in a satey where top 3 get paid a seat....gl
allin. i dont no u or sirswish personally, but obv this is not a hand advice thread. OP knows this is a call 100% of the time in an MTT, unless like u had said in the case of a satty, where folding will nearly guaranteed him a seat. and in defence of sirswish, he was 1 of MANY making jokes about the pure hilarity of OP thinking this is anything other than a call. also, i am 100% sure that OP doesnt post this if his hands hold. thats y these sorts of threads tilt the shit out of me. OP PLZ STOP POSTING AND SIRSWISH PLZ CONTINUE POSTING
haha, how can ppl take this thread seriously? oh its in PD, oh, gotta be serious, gfy allin, nice original screenname too. I was gonna go with AllinwithAANoBadBeats69 but I went with something slightly more original.
LOL pwned.
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ummmmmmmm i opred u and u r a microstakes donkey with negative stats????? not sure wat u mean dissing my 2k over the last 3 weeks as u have made less than that in 2 years....
click "full tracking" under period then end life. edit-sorry its so difficult for you to use a site you base your entire argument on when it took me 3 clicks starting at google to find the information i was looking for on OPR. i took on the responsibility of putting myself through college paying out of state tuition so my parents wouldnt have to, im about to graduate in the spring with 0 college debt and the title to my 07 infiniti g35 will be arriving in a couple of weeks. building a bankroll wasnt #1 in my life, taking care of my family and my future was. when i had the money, i played higher stakes and had tons of success in them. now that ive put that money to good use im working my way back up there from the bottom again. id rather have fun playing tons of $10 tournaments and sngs with a $100 bankroll and a shot at 4k than not play at all until im bankrolled for the 109s again.
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I've been in this situation at a final table and I made the call with AA, the guy second in chips had 88. Of course he flopped a set of 8's and I went from chip leader to out of tourney in 2 hands.
If it happens again, I'm folding.
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cannot believe i read all 6 pages. i feel taken advantage of
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