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This hand is late in the FTOPS ME. The BB had been playing very tight. I had not seen many hands at showdown with the UTG raiser so didnt have an exact read on him and certainly couldnt yet give him credit for being a donk. To boot, my end game had been a bit lacking in that I had made some mistakes underestimating how tight people play late in these tournies: Full Tilt Poker Game #7695800940: FTOPS Main Event (54558458), Table 328 - 14000/28000 Ante 3500 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:09:20 ET - 2008/08/18 Seat 1: sckilla (552,115) Seat 2: Kelly Kim (270,078) Seat 3: The-Toilet 0 (1,810,066) Seat 4: iitzzyra (363,131) Seat 5: TiltinShoes (1,055,877) Seat 6: tvcsa (780,878) Seat 7: rl222 (1,162,792) Seat 8: dubbeemin (917,070) Seat 9: ComptonMasta (366,980) sckilla antes 3,500 Kelly Kim antes 3,500 The-Toilet 0 antes 3,500 iitzzyra antes 3,500 TiltinShoes antes 3,500 tvcsa antes 3,500 rl222 antes 3,500 dubbeemin antes 3,500 ComptonMasta antes 3,500 The-Toilet 0 posts the small blind of 14,000 iitzzyra posts the big blind of 28,000 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to dubbeemin [Kh Ks] TiltinShoes raises to 64,000 tvcsa folds ComptonMasta: pictures in my mind dan dubbeemin raises to 175,000 ComptonMasta folds sckilla folds Kelly Kim folds The-Toilet 0 folds iitzzyra raises to 359,631, and is all in TiltinShoes raises to 1,052,377, and is all in dubbeemin has 15 seconds left to act dubbeemin has requested TIME dubbeemin folds TiltinShoes shows [Jc Jh] iitzzyra shows [9s 9d] LOST1MORE (Observer): lost11111111 goofy2485 (Observer): go shoes Uncalled bet of 692,746 returned to TiltinShoes *** FLOP *** [Qh 7c 2c] *** TURN *** [Qh 7c 2c] [Ad] *** RIVER *** [Qh 7c 2c Ad] [7s] TiltinShoes shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens iitzzyra shows two pair, Nines and Sevens TiltinShoes wins the pot (939,762) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens ComptonMasta: nh iitzzyra stands up *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 939,762 | Rake 0 Board: [Qh 7c 2c Ad 7s] Seat 1: sckilla folded before the Flop Seat 2: Kelly Kim (button) folded before the Flop Seat 3: The-Toilet 0 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 4: iitzzyra (big blind) showed [9s 9d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Sevens Seat 5: TiltinShoes showed [Jc Jh] and won (939,762) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens Seat 6: tvcsa folded before the Flop Seat 7: rl222 folded before the Flop Seat 8: dubbeemin folded before the Flop Seat 9: ComptonMasta folded before the Flop
Tiltin didnt give much thought at all to shoving. I didnt have any reason to think he was a donk and would over-shove, essentially for his tourney, in the face of two players raising his utg raise with QQ or JJ....especially that deep with good stacks. Apparently I was wrong, but against a player of solid caliber, I think its ok. He had only 64k in the pot at that point. He just went off...
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I think given the information both players made very poor shoves... but with that said I still never fold here.
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swd805
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08-19-2008 2:39 AM
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lol i was watching this and thought u were joking when u said u folded KK.
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hey, you won so it's all good.... imo, you just can't ever ever fold in that spot though...
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I snap call over shove get it in as fast as I can here. If they have AA I throw my computer on my tile and buy a new one in the morning with what I just made in this tourney and wasted like 9 horus lol. But yea I never fold here.
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Hellmuthaments! mucks the KK and then takes it down, obv this was a +EV fold for you even if you seen their cards, wp.
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Winning the tourney after missing massive chip equity on a bad fold = ++++EV Nice job.
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swd805: |   |
lol i was watching this and thought u were joking when u said u folded KK.
lmao I was watching it too....but never fold KK pre...just a rule of mine and 99% of players
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...just saw this post as I was reading your article. Congrats btw. Well you had 3bet me 3 hands in a row when I opened, and I had been raise/folding a decent ammount.
I made my UTG raise and I had already decided I was rollin with you unless action just got crazy. You 3 bet me, which I knew you were going to also. When the shortish stack shoved, I figured I would isolate him as he probably thought 99 was okay there givin the fact I was opening a lot of pots and you were 3betting a high percentage pre. The play may not have been optimal I guess but to call me a donk is hillariously obserd. You played very well so congrats.
I will say, the first hand of the FT was grossly missplayed by me for sure, and it still haunts me. At any rate gg, you played very well.
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Juanda 87: |   |
Hellmuthaments! mucks the KK and then takes it down, obv this was a +EV fold for you even if you seen their cards, wp.
ROFLSAUCE
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no dis intended at all! you played well. I thought the shove was a bad play, only in that with your ep open and two raises behind do you really want to play for your whole tourney in a spot where you could easily be dominated. I do apologize for the way I worded it. Most likely it was a result of me being mad for making the wrong laydown. So I am sorry. Obviously we all make mistakes all the time. 'ppreciate the congrats! gl
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lmfao I can't even win with AA and KK aipf let alone a significant race and nitclowns like this guy are folding KK and shipping main events with thousands of entrants... jeezuz fkn christ donkaments are ridiculous
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I wish I could win the ftops me
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dubbeemin: |   |
sigh....this post reminds me how much i miss my chat
congrats, nice win, sick fold
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If you had won that hand, you would have been over confident, played differently, and probably not won.
Good play.
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