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CarbonPoker · Full Tilt · Cake Poker · PokerStars · Ultimate Bet · Players Only · Bodog
This is a 180 Man Tournament On Stars in Level 1. Please critique Part 1 of my hand. I will follow up with Parts 2-4 after I get a few responses.
Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Greffman (670 in chips)
Seat 2: FG13 (2660 in chips)
Seat 3: zoozoopetals (1610 in chips)
Seat 4: LuciusSweet (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: gidders (1360 in chips)
Seat 6: NorCalKen (1310 in chips)
Seat 7: All2Hard (1270 in chips)
Seat 8: Broseff21 (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: TaTonk (1730 in chips)
NorCalKen: posts small blind 10
All2Hard: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gidders [Qh Kh] - I'm on the button with 1360 chips.
Broseff21: folds
TaTonk: folds
Greffman: folds
FG13: calls 20
zoozoopetals: calls 20
LuciusSweet: folds
gidders: raises 100 to 120
NorCalKen: folds
All2Hard: folds
FG13: calls 100
zoozoopetals: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [7h 4h 6h]
FG13: folds (sick read)
zoozoopetals: checks
gidders: ??????????
Any comments on my PF play, and what I should do on the flop here is welcome/encouraged.
Thanks.
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you probably have the best hand, but because of the check on the flop
you dont really know enough about his hand to put in much of a raise.
Pots pretty good right here, I'd call and see what he has, I dont want
to risk raising him here opening myself up to a rereaise/all in.
The most likely hands he could have are Ah-7.or Ah-x or a medium
pair 10-10 etc with a heart. (6-6, 6-7, 4-4 are possible holdings but
because of the flop check you can't be too sure, obv if you raise any
of these hands theyre moving you in...which would be bad. Its unlikely
a medium pair would call any raise from you on the end he either has
nothing, in which case hes not paying you off, or he has a boat, or
possibly the flopped bigger flush, and will move u all in if you raise.
Call on the river and be happy when you win a nice pot.
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Well, looks like we're just gonna call him down here I guess. I suppose there are some hands where we'd get a call from him if we pushed (namely, two-pair, trip 7's, or a lower flush), but I'd just call the 180 chips out of curiosity, if nothing else. I'm confident that there's a decent chance I'm beat here, so it's an easy call down in my case. However, if a player is likewise confident that he has the best hand (and can get a call from the opponent in case of a push), then that's definitely what that player should do. So, running down the probabilities of what I'd consider...
Most Probable: Full-House or Quads. So this call down is simple. We get to see the answer to all our questions (or get to scratch our heads and ask ourselves more questions)
Also Possible #1: Two Pair, or Trip Sevens. We could defintely get a call from trip Sevens if we pushed, so this would have to be a judgement call by our hero. Could our opponent possibly showdown A7 here?
Also Possible #2: Rags, QJ, QT, or JT
Also Possible #3: Suited Ace of Hearts (in which case we lose the minimum here by simply calling and living to see another hand)
Not Possible AT ALL: A lower flush. No way in the world would I put him on a lower flush than yours here. That's the only hand that I'd eliminate from all possibilities (watch Gidders post the showdown and I'll betcha a nickel it's a lower flush!)
* I think the check on the flop hurt us here. We missed a golden opportunity to get more information about our opponent's holding, betting style and attitude sooner, rather than later.
** Another thing... at what SPEED did he fire out this last bet of 180 chips from UTG? But even though I'd be tempted to raise him if he "auto-fired" (like within a couple of seconds), I'd still just call here since there's no read at the beginning of tourney (and also because he's even more unlikely to call our raise if he's beat after an "auto-fire" bet, IMO)
*** If this guy took about 7-10 seconds to bet, then I'd be even more tempted to raise (since this is approx. the amount of time it takes for a donk to go to the Main Lobby and uncheck the "Muck Losing Hand" option so he can show his rags in case you fold, then proceed to hee-haw his ass off). But this small bet is in no way consistent with that type of move, and then of course, even the players in the 180-person SnG's are highly unlikely to call your raise in this position if they're on a pure bluff.
My Decision: Call and showdown
dhubermex
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I A I on the river. the play is so bad in these hed go bust with ak ace hearts to ur river raise
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is the play bad enough for him to also fold quad sevens to your all in on the river?????
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now if brsavage was playin this hand, i would suspect quads.
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no not fold but i have seen quads chked last to act in these
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I raise to about 400. It is possible you are beat. But in a 180 sng against an unknown, I assume I am good here. It looks more to me like the 180 bet by zoo is an attempt to have a cheap showdown for a decent-sized pot.
I raise to the maximum I think he will call assuming that he wants a cheap showdown. Raise to about 420.
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I'm interested in seeing how this one turned out at showdown... conclusion me, plz.
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I agree...post the outcome so that I can stop checking this thread every couple hours (Yes...I am really bored)
Also..lol at "FG13: folds (sick read)"
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*** RIVER *** [7h 4h 6h 7c] [Kd]
zoozoopetals: bets 180
gidders: raises 860 to 1040 and is all-in
zoozoopetals: calls 860
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gidders: shows [Qh Kh] (a flush, King high)
zoozoopetals: shows [Th Kc] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
gidders collected 2870 from pot
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nice hand! i would've passed up 860 chips of this hand, so nice going!
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When does the next one of these start?
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On flop he had a T high flush draw, so that was a monster draw for a
$10-$30 SNG palyer. On the river he had two pair he was calling
ANYTHING.
Only problem I have with hand gidders, and this is a slight one, as I
play very conservative in the early goings of SNGs, is I probably limp
a hand like KQs.
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Whenever 180 people register. They are under multitable S&Gs. 180man. 20+2
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