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This is a 180 Man Tournament On Stars in Level 1. Please critique Part 1 of my hand. I will follow up with Parts 2-4 after I get a few responses.
Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Greffman (670 in chips)
Seat 2: FG13 (2660 in chips)
Seat 3: zoozoopetals (1610 in chips)
Seat 4: LuciusSweet (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: gidders (1360 in chips)
Seat 6: NorCalKen (1310 in chips)
Seat 7: All2Hard (1270 in chips)
Seat 8: Broseff21 (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: TaTonk (1730 in chips)
NorCalKen: posts small blind 10
All2Hard: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gidders [Qh Kh] - I'm on the button with 1360 chips.
Broseff21: folds
TaTonk: folds
Greffman: folds
FG13: calls 20
zoozoopetals: calls 20
LuciusSweet: folds
gidders: raises 100 to 120
NorCalKen: folds
All2Hard: folds
FG13: calls 100
zoozoopetals: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [7h 4h 6h]
FG13: folds (sick read)
zoozoopetals: checks
gidders: ??????????
Any comments on my PF play, and what I should do on the flop here is welcome/encouraged.
Thanks.
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told you he missed his draw in some fashion, but didnt think he hit a K, and also didnt elect for the all in:( But nice one
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zoo is obviously a complete idiot so I'm not sure there is much value in this hand with respect to figuring out which way to play the hand is most profitable against reasonable players. I think that overall you are going to be much better off building the pot incrementally street by street than relying on a donk to call off a huge all in reraise with tpwk on the river.
I'd be interested in seeing your street by street analysis though and why you played it this way.
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this isn't really an sng, it is an mtt.
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Puerto - the reason he is an idiot is the reason I think there is value in this hand, because a lot of players, especially at level 1 will play this way and you have to maximize your opportunities.
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Fair enough. But then your play is very read specific and your statement at the beginning was that you had no reads. Perhaps you have a good point that the play at 180 $22 sngs is so bad that moves like this really pay off. If that is your point I can't argue with you too much. I've played a few of these and there is some horredous play in the early levels (and later levels, but not as much).
But against reasonable opponents I'm not sure that this line maximizes return over the long run.
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agree w/ puerto...we were under the assumption you ad no read on tis guy, and if we dont get a read i thtink all in on te river was reckless.
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I don't think gidders play was reckless. I assume he is good here and have no issue with him getting all his chips in against a typical person in this tournament. I just think that he got a bit lucky that this person was willing to call such a big reraise on the river and that building the pot more incrementally street by street will prove more +cEV in the long run.
But I could be wrong, Sometimes big raises like this look like a bluff and you'll get a call whereas consistent strong betting throughout the hand will chase someone out. For example, going all in preflop with AA will get a call whereas a 3x raise preflop followed by a bet on the flop will get a fold and you'll get a lot less chips. It's all about knowing who you're playing against...
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i didnt mean to imply that you did think that way puerto. My only point
is that I dont start out any tournament thinking that all my opponents
are idiots and i feel like that was a feeling or a read that gidders
must have gotten from the opponent that therefore led him to beleive he
was getting paid off with a weaker hand. My 'reckless' comment is only
regarding the fact that the hand was played very passively and did
not extract much information about his opponents hand. Because of
the check on the flop you have zero idea where you are in the hand so I
think its a much beter play to call the bet and not risk all your chips
when you dont have any idea what he has. The fact that you were able to
get him to pay you off gidders, is a testament to your read, and turned
out to be a very profitable play. I just think its more likely that he
folds, or calls with the nuts rather than call with a worse hand than
ours.
and if he doesnt hit a king or a heart you probably dont get even one
bet out of him. I think you needed to start charging him earlier. Most
likely on the river he hits one of 7 hearts and busts you, or he hit
nothing and folds. the only card he could catch and still pay you off
with was one of two kings or one of three aces. I think you need to
make the play on the turn. But you needed to continue with the lead on
the flop.
Gidders, why so passive? Thats not usually your style.
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i like how gidders starts discussions then gives zero reasons for why he played the hand the way he did.
gg 'discussion'
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