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Okay basically the history is this: The table is very weak and intervention is really the only person who is showing aggression. Rich is playing super tight and fox is playing passive tight. Intervention is to my left and it is obviously me vs him for the table aggression. I would imagine hes calling preflop with a huge range and floating the flop a big percentage of the time here. I figured he would float the flop and try to put pressure on me since there is one real short stack and both opponents are really weak. I wanted to check shove the turn because of the table dynamics but the board paired and he made a good bet. I decided against it because I knew I could get my chips in better, in case he did have it...
What do you guys think or what do you guys do here? Thanks in advance.
Full Tilt Poker Game #9601505278: $60,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (70052022), Table 14 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:11:45 ET - 2008/12/20
Seat 2: Intervention (547,126)
Seat 5: foxjizzle (287,811)
Seat 7: Rich taste1 (99,404)
Seat 8: Cre8ive (376,659)
Intervention antes 1,000
foxjizzle antes 1,000
Rich taste1 antes 1,000
Cre8ive antes 1,000
Cre8ive posts the small blind of 5,000
Intervention posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cre8ive [Ac 5c]
foxjizzle folds
Rich taste1 folds
Cre8ive raises to 28,500
Intervention calls 18,500
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7c 3c]
Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
Cre8ive bets 32,000
Intervention calls 32,000
*** TURN *** [Jd 7c 3c] [3h]
Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
Cre8ive checks
Intervention has 15 seconds left to act
Intervention bets 80,000
Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
Cre8ive has requested TIME
Cre8ive folds
Uncalled bet of 80,000 returned to Intervention
Intervention mucks
Intervention wins the pot (125,000)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 125,000 | Rake 0
Board: [Jd 7c 3c 3h]
Seat 2: Intervention (big blind) collected (125,000), mucked
Seat 5: foxjizzle folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Rich taste1 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Cre8ive (small blind) folded on the Turn
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Probably Check/Call on flop, if he shoves muck....Thing about the CB is if come over the top for a few more chips you gotta call, and if you brick turn it's hard to lead out and he will most certainly bet again....try and lose minimum or peel a free card on flop
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 MyJobisYou: | |
Probably Check/Call on flop, if he shoves muck....Thing about the CB is if come over the top for a few more chips you gotta call, and if you brick turn it's hard to lead out and he will most certainly bet again....try and lose minimum or peel a free card on flop
this
nice brag btw
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Cre8ive,
i honestly think you should have went ahead with your planned line. As I'm sure you know, if you weren't sure about going there then don't bet out on flop. A check raise on flop is now a more "safe" route these days since c-bets get little respect and everyone can float flops.
i'm all for picking on the weak players, but i dont see intervention showing up with a boat here or even a jack. something about his bet size on the turn, seems like he thinks you are giving up with some QTish hand.
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Not a brag.. just trying to determine what the best way to play this hand is. I would of posted it if I busted out 4th too. Just curious because I really thought betting the flop and then check shoving the turn might be the best play. But I think if I check the flop hes almost always betting, so you guys would just check call the flop?
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nah i wasnt so serious checkcall flop seems terrible to me
agree with sct obv
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Yeah I mean if I check raise the flop it's most likely going in, if I bet the flop and get raised I was going to put it in probably. So when he just floats the flop I didnt want to fire another barrel and then fold on the turn. Still not sure what the best line is. I think betting the turn and folding is bad, I'd rather check call or check fold (check fold being best option of the three [b/f c/c or c/f turn])
I also like what Paidchex said about check raising the flop. But the only problem I have with this is building such a big pot out of position with a flush draw. But If I am going to get it in on the flop regardless check raising is probably a better play. And it gives me the chance for a check behind and a free card.
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in this situation i like your play. no real need to sparr wtih the other best player at the table with only one card to go here. but if he had raised the flop there is no way u can fold. c/r ing flop with these stacks does seem pretty good tho.
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also is, calling the turn really that bad considering you could still have the best hand?????
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| blizair: | |
also is, calling the turn really that bad considering you could still have the best hand?????
then what to do if river bricks? are we calling down? curious how you would play that line since you are you. c/f?
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I just think calling 80k of my 320k stack and then having to eat another barrel on the river is pretty crazy. But I guess it would look pretty strong lol.
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Given your read, I'd continue with original plan and c/r all in. Does the board pairing really change that much if we think he's floating a large percentage of the time?
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I guess only if he has a 3. And therefore isnt folding to a shove on the turn and also meaning i only have 8 outs.
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| Cre8ive: | |
I guess only if he has a 3. And therefore isnt folding to a shove on the turn and also meaning i only have 8 outs.
Yeah i understand, but I don't see a3 showing up often enough to significantly change the equity in this play, and therefore imo it isn't a big enough factor to change your line.
nice score btw, where did you finish?
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